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post #1 of 27 Old 07-17-2015, 04:25 PM Thread Starter
 
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Paint colours and glass for my 1973 246 GTS UK

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I'm having a bare metal respray of my 1973 246 GTS and its original colour was Verde Medio Metallico and in the 80's it was changed to Rosso. I'm very seriously considering taking it back to its original colour. Can anyone help me ensure I get the paint colour perfectly correct please?

Also the glass is showing signs of age with some scratches etc and I've heard mixed reports on getting it restored, does anyone have any experience of this in the UK, good or bad and any good recommendations?

Thanks very much.

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The paint code for Verde Medio Metallizzato is 106-G-29. It should not be difficult for your bodyshop to get this colour mixed correctly.

Here are a few shots of Verde Medio Metallizzato for reference.

I never had any success finding a good glass polisher and ended up leaving the various scratches in the glass on my cars as a sign of patina.
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Thank you Iain that's very kind of you.

That's what I'd been told about glass restoration too.

I've found the most amazing specialist for Dino Magnesium wheel refurb.

Still trying to 100% decide if I'm doing the right thing going for its original colour....
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Still trying to 100% decide if I'm doing the right thing going for its original colour....
Went through same dilemma. Only I did it to myself, changed Black to Red
after a few years got tired of the red and went back to original. So my vote says original is best, especially with prices going the way they are.
RHD cars are few in number, Verde Medio Metalizzato, in RHD, rarer still.
I have a RHD black that was a special order, only 12 ever made, yours might be one of only 5 or 6.
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AFAIK there were 10 RHD cars in Verde Medio Met. - 5 GT models and 5 GTS. It was the 15th most popular colour out of the 28 colours I have records for. Of the 5 GTS variants sold four had the beige vinyl interior and one had beige Connolly Vaumol leather. Luppi can supply the correct heat stitched beige vinyl covers for the seats and headrests and can also supply the heat stitched vinyl for the rear wall and door cards in beige. If going back to original colour I'd advise doing the correct interior and exterior that was on the car when new rather than doing one or the other. If the colour doesn't appeal you won't seriously diminish the value if you choose an alternate colour that was period correct for the car. I returned two of my GTs to factory original interior/exterior combinations but finished my GTS in the colour scheme I would have likely chosen if placing the order when new.

Who did you find to repair the wheels out of interest? My bodyshop did mine and we spent a long, long time getting the colour right as most modern wheel restorers use the bright silver Ferrari switched to with the 308 and also tend to over gloss the lacquer. The original factory finish was pretty dull on the 246 wheels.

If you like green but are not struck by the Verde Medio Metallizzato there is a fantastic green called Verde Medio Niyinsky. It was a special request Pinifarina colour that followed their naming convention of taking a name from a race horse. The code is 2.433.561 and a car was painted in it in the US last year. 3 Dinos were supplied in this colour originally so it was very rare. It looks very crisp and modern on the 246 GTS and shows the shape off extremely well. Had I seen these photo's before choosing the colour for my GTS it would now be resplendent in this shade of green.
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Hi Andrew , you have a great car on your hands. From our experience we have seen colour changes on Ferrari's that have resold at some of the big auctions around North America that were in pristine condition. These cars are selling for huge dollars with colour changes to the traditional Ferrari colours ( red , yellow ).
I have in stock a new non original rear glass for your car. I purchased a few of these glass for jobs that I have done for clients. The glass was found by Brandoli in Italy and purchased from Maranello Classic Parts in the UK. The glass I have is a top quality reproduction and accepted by Ferrari and the Classic department. If you have any question please feel free to call or ask email me.
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Went through same dilemma. Only I did it to myself, changed Black to Red
after a few years got tired of the red and went back to original. So my vote says original is best, especially with prices going the way they are.
RHD cars are few in number, Verde Medio Metalizzato, in RHD, rarer still.
I have a RHD black that was a special order, only 12 ever made, yours might be one of only 5 or 6.
Thank you..I did wonder if I could find out for sure how many RHD cars were produced in the same colour. I bet yours is amazing in black. I have a Nero 550M and think it's gorgeous.
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AFAIK there were 10 RHD cars in Verde Medio Met. - 5 GT models and 5 GTS. It was the 15th most popular colour out of the 28 colours I have records for. Of the 5 GTS variants sold four had the beige vinyl interior and one had beige Connolly Vaumol leather. Luppi can supply the correct heat stitched beige vinyl covers for the seats and headrests and can also supply the heat stitched vinyl for the rear wall and door cards in beige. If going back to original colour I'd advise doing the correct interior and exterior that was on the car when new rather than doing one or the other. If the colour doesn't appeal you won't seriously diminish the value if you choose an alternate colour that was period correct for the car. I returned two of my GTs to factory original interior/exterior combinations but finished my GTS in the colour scheme I would have likely chosen if placing the order when new.

Who did you find to repair the wheels out of interest? My bodyshop did mine and we spent a long, long time getting the colour right as most modern wheel restorers use the bright silver Ferrari switched to with the 308 and also tend to over gloss the lacquer. The original factory finish was pretty dull on the 246 wheels.

If you like green but are not struck by the Verde Medio Metallizzato there is a fantastic green called Verde Medio Niyinsky. It was a special request Pinifarina colour that followed their naming convention of taking a name from a race horse. The code is 2.433.561 and a car was painted in it in the US last year. 3 Dinos were supplied in this colour originally so it was very rare. It looks very crisp and modern on the 246 GTS and shows the shape off extremely well. Had I seen these photo's before choosing the colour for my GTS it would now be resplendent in this shade of green.
Thank you Iain - I'd heard about your restoration work and I think it was with Carrs?
My interior was originally beige and the interior is very good, I will post a picture. When I bought the Dino it has two Fiat Cromodora wheels and two Dino, I managed to buy some more 1973 Dino wheels and I've had them all restored and have three spare now which is great. The guy that did them is Steve Turner and his website is TPCS Magnesium and Alloy Refurbishing feel free to mention my name if you contact him. Photo of the work he did is here..... Thank you again, any advise is really appreciated.
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Hi Andrew , you have a great car on your hands. From our experience we have seen colour changes on Ferrari's that have resold at some of the big auctions around North America that were in pristine condition. These cars are selling for huge dollars with colour changes to the traditional Ferrari colours ( red , yellow ).
I have in stock a new non original rear glass for your car. I purchased a few of these glass for jobs that I have done for clients. The glass was found by Brandoli in Italy and purchased from Maranello Classic Parts in the UK. The glass I have is a top quality reproduction and accepted by Ferrari and the Classic department. If you have any question please feel free to call or ask email me.
Thank you
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Hi Alex, thank you, I'm interested to hear more if you could please message me the details and price? I'd like to see if I can find side glass too?
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Andrew,

The GTS looks fantastic in Verde. Either the Medio or the Nijinsky although my personal favourite is the latter.

I think it's great that owners are starting to restore their cars back to its original delivery. To many cars have been resprayed as the fantastic 70's colors was seen as outdated.

Good luck,
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Andrew,

The GTS looks fantastic in Verde. Either the Medio or the Nijinsky although my personal favourite is the latter.

I think it's great that owners are starting to restore their cars back to its original delivery. To many cars have been resprayed as the fantastic 70's colors was seen as outdated.

Good luck,
Arvid
Thanks Arvid that's great to hear and my decision is made to take it back to factory Verde Medio as originally ordered, it would be rude not to knowing that only 5 GTS RHD cars were that colour.

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Yes, Carrs did the mechanical restoration work on my cars for me. I have tried various sources for reproduction glass and would advise extreme caution on this. With the exception of the front windscreen (available remade by Pilkington Glass's classic operation - Pilkington bought out the OEM Italian supplier to Ferrari back in the early 90's) all of the reproduction glass I've bought has been a complete waste of money as it is not made to the spec of the original and gives fitting issues due to being thicker than the OEM glass. Some from DinoParts also had a lot of surface imperfections. The rear screen offered by Alex may well be a very good item but I have no experience of it as none of my cars required the rear glass.

If going back to the original colour I'd strongly suggest checking which interior your car was originally delivered with - leather or vinyl. I recently sold my Bianco Polo Park GT which I restored back to full original spec including nero vinyl interior and the vinyl was one of the biggest attractions to buyers as it was period correct and now looks very retro. It looked fantastic in the car.

Some pointers for you if you want the car to be 100% correct - Your inner door sills, door cappings, centre console (all 3 sections), B post trim and panel across the top of the rear wall and around the inside of the sail panels would have been trimmed in black Dino vinyl when new. There are trim panels that fit to the underside of the targa roll bar and these are often missing as well. They were also trimmed in black Dino vinyl. The door cards should not have screw fixings along the bottom. These were originally held in place by hidden trim clips along the lower edge that fix into the plyboard of the door card. There were only 4 screws used to fix the door cards by the factory and these were on the top of each door card at the front and rear. I've managed to convert Rorky at O'Rourke Coachtrimmers to fitting door cards in the correct factory manner and he now has a stash of the various trim clips required. Your door cards are also missing the trim "buttons" that cover the access to the emergency winding mechanism on the door window motors.Your carpets would not have had contrast edging and were most likely to have been beige I suspect though the original factory order would possibly confirm this.The seat runners would also have had outer covers that were finished in the same material as the seats. Many cars have lost these over the years but they are simple panels to re-create.

Beware - Once you have seen a car that is trimmed exactly as per the original factory methods you'll most likely want to do the same to your car as it makes a huge difference

Here is a photo that Luppi sent me of their beige heat stitched vinyl which is 100% accurate to the original. Ignore the black Daytona vinyl insert strips above.
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Yes, Carrs did the mechanical restoration work on my cars for me. I have tried various sources for reproduction glass and would advise extreme caution on this. With the exception of the front windscreen (available remade by Pilkington Glass's classic operation - Pilkington bought out the OEM Italian supplier to Ferrari back in the early 90's) all of the reproduction glass I've bought has been a complete waste of money as it is not made to the spec of the original and gives fitting issues due to being thicker than the OEM glass. Some from DinoParts also had a lot of surface imperfections. The rear screen offered by Alex may well be a very good item but I have no experience of it as none of my cars required the rear glass.

If going back to the original colour I'd strongly suggest checking which interior your car was originally delivered with - leather or vinyl. I recently sold my Bianco Polo Park GT which I restored back to full original spec including nero vinyl interior and the vinyl was one of the biggest attractions to buyers as it was period correct and now looks very retro. It looked fantastic in the car.

Some pointers for you if you want the car to be 100% correct - Your inner door sills, door cappings, centre console (all 3 sections), B post trim and panel across the top of the rear wall and around the inside of the sail panels would have been trimmed in black Dino vinyl when new. There are trim panels that fit to the underside of the targa roll bar and these are often missing as well. They were also trimmed in black Dino vinyl. The door cards should not have screw fixings along the bottom. These were originally held in place by hidden trim clips along the lower edge that fix into the plyboard of the door card. There were only 4 screws used to fix the door cards by the factory and these were on the top of each door card at the front and rear. I've managed to convert Rorky at O'Rourke Coachtrimmers to fitting door cards in the correct factory manner and he now has a stash of the various trim clips required. Your door cards are also missing the trim "buttons" that cover the access to the emergency winding mechanism on the door window motors.Your carpets would not have had contrast edging and were most likely to have been beige I suspect though the original factory order would possibly confirm this.The seat runners would also have had outer covers that were finished in the same material as the seats. Many cars have lost these over the years but they are simple panels to re-create.

Beware - Once you have seen a car that is trimmed exactly as per the original factory methods you'll most likely want to do the same to your car as it makes a huge difference

Here is a photo that Luppi sent me of their beige heat stitched vinyl which is 100% accurate to the original. Ignore the black Daytona vinyl insert strips above.
Thank you Iain that's really kind of you, would love to see a totally original spec car interior.

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Another trim item I forgot to mention. The insert panels on the underside of the targa roof were only ever finished in heat stitched black vinyl by the factory. Over the years successive owners have had these replaced on many cars by leather inserts. Here are the correct vinyl inserts on my targa panel.
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Here are a few pointers from my car which is finished 100% to factory spec. All interior trim screws were slot heads. Black zinc coated screws were used on all black trim areas. Silver finish screws were used on any non black trim panels i.e. door cards.

Rear wall showing black Dino vinyl areas and Tenax clips to hold the tonneau cover in place.



Factory carpet layout with correct rubber heelpads and seat runner covers-



Door card before mounting showing window winder access "button". Door cards were made in two pieces if leather, one single piece if vinyl -



Door membrane film to prevent water ingress damaging the door card backing board. Ferrari used a silver type film for this. I found the closest waterproof fabric I could to replicate this item -



Door card mounted with only 4 screws visible along top of the card -



Completed interior shots -








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What is the grain direction of the Dino vinyl that trims out the rear window?
This spans the width of the shelf, does the grain go laterally (R to L) or Fore-Aft?
Not the Builkhead cap (which is laterally) but the piece behind it

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Here are a few pointers from my car which is finished 100% to factory spec. All interior trim screws were slot heads. Black zinc coated screws were used on all black trim areas. Silver finish screws were used on any non black trim panels i.e. door cards.

Rear wall showing black Dino vinyl areas and Tenax clips to hold the tonneau cover in place.

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The grain in that sections runs Fore-Aft as does the grain on the inner sail panels.

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Here are a few pointers from my car which is finished 100% to factory spec. All interior trim screws were slot heads. Black zinc coated screws were used on all black trim areas. Silver finish screws were used on any non black trim panels i.e. door cards.

Rear wall showing black Dino vinyl areas and Tenax clips to hold the tonneau cover in place.



Factory carpet layout with correct rubber heelpads and seat runner covers-



Door card before mounting showing window winder access "button". Door cards were made in two pieces if leather, one single piece if vinyl -



Door membrane film to prevent water ingress damaging the door card backing board. Ferrari used a silver type film for this. I found the closest waterproof fabric I could to replicate this item -



Door card mounted with only 4 screws visible along top of the card -



Completed interior shots -







Hi Iain

Thank you very much for the detail this is really helpful. Did O'Rourkes do your interior along with Luppi supplying parts? My understanding is unfortunately now O'Rourkes will decide who they want to work with and are only interested in doing the complete project themselves?

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I didn't use O'Rourkes but have had a lot of interaction with Rorky on various trim aspects of the Dino and loaned him my original set of mats so he could take moulds of the plastic heelpads to make his excellent reproductions. I also obtained an original vinyl Daytona seat insert for him to use as a pattern for creating reproductions but don't know how far he has progressed with that.

Luppi supplied various elements of the interiors for my three GT models but the entire GTS was made by a superb trimmer in the midlands who I was introduced to by my body restorer. I sourced and supplied the Vaumol hides, Dino vinyl, carpet and plastic Daytona inserts strips for him to use. He has been trimming Dinos for nearly 30 years now so knows them intimately.

Good trimshops are hard to find and with the boom in restoration work they are able to be selective about the work they take on. Luppi themselves are a very small operation so lead times there can be quite lengthy as well. I have shipped seats out to them for recovering but now that I have found a local expert I wouldn't bother doing so again and would have everything trimmed here.

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