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Trying to find a Dino, is anything out there worth buying and within reason?

I have been searching in vain to find a Dino. I have had many modern Ferraris but just started looking into the classics.

Is there anything within reason out there. I don't mind paying 200k for a car if its nice but it just seems that they have flown through the roof. I'd even like a restore car under 200k if I could find one but have had no luck.

Anyone have any leads to anything interesting? Thanks ahead of time for any help.
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It would help if you tell us which country you are in so that someone may be able to point you in the right direction.

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El Paso, Texas in the good old USA. Thanks!
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I have been searching in vain to find a Dino. I have had many modern Ferraris but just started looking into the classics.

Is there anything within reason out there. I don't mind paying 200k for a car if its nice but it just seems that they have flown through the roof. I'd even like a restore car under 200k if I could find one but have had no luck.

Anyone have any leads to anything interesting? Thanks ahead of time for any help.
i have a euro GT for sale soon, it has been a total bodyoff restoration i am about to finish for the paintshop soon, pm if interested
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The Dino section of Ferrari Chat is probably a good place to put a similar post as there are a lot of US based Dino owners and enthusiasts there. As you say prices are on the up so finding one for sub $200k US could be a challenge. Cars in Europe are certainly above that price now and still rising.

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If importing a car from Europe is an option this later US model E series GT in Holland is within the budget. It looks to be missing it's handbook pack and possibly the tool kit but plenty of US based specialists can supply those. There are incorrect details such as the wrong steering wheel and leather covered dash but all could be put right. It's very difficult to judge these cars from photographs though.

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El Paso, Texas in the good old USA. Thanks!
There are a few around - have you seen the one at Continental in Chicago?
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Continental in Chicago is way to expensive. Nice car though.
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One sold today at the mecum auction in Kissimmee for 172k
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One sold today at the mecum auction in Kissimmee for 172k
Wow, good price. It looks to be in very good shape. Euro car too. The engine compartment looks a bit off though. Was $172k the hammer price or the final price after fees?
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Continental in Chicago is way to expensive. Nice car though.
Sending my car up there for some work - I will ask how motivated the seller is.

TBigs - pretty sure that was the hammer.
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One sold today at the mecum auction in Kissimmee for 172k
I just had a look at that car and I can spot a long list of issues with it just from the photo's. Not a problem if you are just looking for a car to drive but something to be aware of. The bills quickly mount up if you want to put them back into correct condition as many parts are in short supply so command premiums. There are also few good body specialists familiar with the 246 so a lot of them have bodged repairs that are easily overlooked if you are unfamiliar with these cars.

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Do you think it was a fair price for what it is? (in your VERY expert opinion!)
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Do you think it was a fair price for what it is? (in your VERY expert opinion!)
The only thing I'm an expert at is paying restoration bills

Without seeing the car in person it's hard to make a good call on the value but based purely upon the detail work I can spot that needs to be done to put it into good shape then I'd say in the current market it looks about right. It's pretty easy to quickly rack up another $40k ++ sorting out the suspension, steering rack, tires if they need attention (they make a huge difference to the handling and driving enjoyment) plus sorting out incorrect trim. If intending to use the car regularly then a gear reduction starter and alternator upgrade are good ideas along with a re-jet of the carb's to cure the famous Dino left hand curve fuel starvation issue. Paint and body repairs start involving a lot more money and you really need to seek out someone with a good reputation for working on them if you don't want to simply be throwing money away.

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The only thing I'm an expert at is paying restoration bills

Without seeing the car in person it's hard to make a good call on the value but based purely upon the detail work I can spot that needs to be done to put it into good shape then I'd say in the current market it looks about right. It's pretty easy to quickly rack up another $40k ++ sorting out the suspension, steering rack, tires if they need attention (they make a huge difference to the handling and driving enjoyment) plus sorting out incorrect trim. If intending to use the car regularly then a gear reduction starter and alternator upgrade are good ideas along with a re-jet of the carb's to cure the famous Dino left hand curve fuel starvation issue. Paint and body repairs start involving a lot more money and you really need to seek out someone with a good reputation for working on them if you don't want to simply be throwing money away.
What specific alternator upgrade do you suggest?

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What specific alternator upgrade do you suggest?
I can't recall exactly what was done Capo. I'll ask my tech when he's back from his holiday in a week or so. I know they sent the alternator out to a specialist who rebuilt it with better internals I believe. They did this along with fitting the gear reduction starter as the standard system draws a large amount of current and the battery can struggle to provide enough to turn it over. This is a particular problem trying to restart the engine when it's hot and a few cranks of the starter only causes vapour lock as the starter turns over very slowly but the fuel pump swings into action. With the improved alternator the battery has more power but actually needs less to crank the gear reduction starter so hot starting is vastly improved as it tends to catch on the first attempt.

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I can't recall exactly what was done Capo. I'll ask my tech when he's back from his holiday in a week or so. I know they sent the alternator out to a specialist who rebuilt it with better internals I believe. They did this along with fitting the gear reduction starter as the standard system draws a large amount of current and the battery can struggle to provide enough to turn it over. This is a particular problem trying to restart the engine when it's hot and a few cranks of the starter only causes vapour lock as the starter turns over very slowly but the fuel pump swings into action. With the improved alternator the battery has more power but actually needs less to crank the gear reduction starter so hot starting is vastly improved as it tends to catch on the first attempt.
Great thanks!

Good it's an interior upgrade of the alternator, then I might do it too. But for now the car is running ok as 100% original. I've told the shop to always make sure those parts are in ship shape. They are checking again as we speak.

I may bypass the electrical system for a hidden modern one. I suspect that can improve mid range smoothness, will tell when tried. I will only do one change at a time in order to see what did what and this would be my first change.

For the first time I will also try the optional one inch wider Campagnolo wheels with 215s. I'm happy with the standard wheels and 205s, I'm just curious to try.

The rejetting to reduce left hand starvation will be carried out by a different expert. He will also overhaul the shocks and put fresh springs on. He says the petrol starvation syndrome cannot be totally cured with stock carbs but greatly improved, hope so!

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Capo,

I had the carb's re-jetted on my Rosso Dino car and it transformed it for the fuel starvation issue. It's now much improved and only sometimes noticeable on tighter bends when the engine is hot. It's a very worthwhile improvement. I believe you need to re-set the float levels in the carb's as well.

I've run the optional Campagnolo wheels on my first Dino for over a year and have now taken them off and reverted back to the standard Cromodoras. The Campy's increase the weight of the steering slightly through corners due to the extra width. I have the set of 5 totally undamaged wheels going spare if you are interested plus the Campagnolo centre caps?

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Capo,

I had the carb's re-jetted on my Rosso Dino car and it transformed it for the fuel starvation issue. It's now much improved and only sometimes noticeable on tighter bends when the engine is hot. It's a very worthwhile improvement. I believe you need to re-set the float levels in the carb's as well.

I've run the optional Campagnolo wheels on my first Dino for over a year and have now taken them off and reverted back to the standard Cromodoras. The Campy's increase the weight of the steering slightly through corners due to the extra width. I have the set of 5 totally undamaged wheels going spare if you are interested plus the Campagnolo centre caps?
how much for the wheels, are they superformance??
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how much for the wheels, are they superformance??
Yes, sorry I should have mentioned that they are the Superformance replicas. The quality is actually really good. I hadn't considered selling them before but they'll likely end up just gathering dust in my garage loft.

Here they are on the car prior to it's body restoration/repaint.
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