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treynor 04-27-2014 10:53 PM

Sunday afternoon in a 458...
 
... Challenge car, that is. HUGE fun. Terribly addicting. Can't wait to do it again in the EVO version :)


wetpet 04-28-2014 05:27 AM

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Pablo 04-28-2014 10:17 AM

Great experience! Looks like u really are having fun!
Enjoy!

550JM 04-28-2014 12:02 PM

Nice driving, but was it you or your wife? ;-)

riviera 04-28-2014 12:31 PM

Great driving. How does it compare the Challenge to the standard 458?

treynor 04-28-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 550JM (Post 408929)
Nice driving, but was it you or your wife? ;-)

That was me. My wife's video looks very similar, but she had more traffic on her laps so she is spending precious seconds stuck behind street-variant 458s, 599 GTOs, and other slower vehicles :steeringwheel:

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Great driving. How does it compare the Challenge to the standard 458?
The Challenge is immediately comfortable if you like the 458. It's a race car, of course, so suspension is lower/stiffer, tires are slicks (stickier but less margin for error), seats and belts are designed to hold you in place rather than make 300-mile road trips comfortable, etc.

For such a fast car, it was remarkably easy to drive. Ferrari has done an excellent job of making a user-friendly race car.

alexscud 04-28-2014 02:38 PM

Congratulations Ben!
congratulations on the purchase of this car on the track is almost perfect, makes everything easy and in the end come down from the car with a big smile.:2thumbsup:

riviera 04-29-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by treynor (Post 409169)

The Challenge is immediately comfortable if you like the 458. It's a race car, of course, so suspension is lower/stiffer, tires are slicks (stickier but less margin for error), seats and belts are designed to hold you in place rather than make 300-mile road trips comfortable, etc.

For such a fast car, it was remarkably easy to drive. Ferrari has done an excellent job of making a user-friendly race car.

Thank you Ben. When you mention user friendly race car , this reminds me of a Ferrari that was not user friendly at all . In 1994 I did few races in the 348 Challenge series in Italy and I remember that driving the 348 at speed was an enormous effort. Had some really scary moments. Funny enough never drove a road version of the 348 (actually until that time it was the only Ferrari I had ever driven). I guess the 458 Challenge is a very well engineered and well thought racing car. It is great you have the opportunity to share this passion with your wife. I wish mine would do the same.
One more question , how does the Challenge compare to your FXX ? (I apologize for being curious)
Regards
Alex

treynor 04-29-2014 06:16 PM

Alex - great question. The 458 Challenge is significantly easier to drive on the track than a 458 street car. The suspension is better set up, the stability/traction control is better designed for high speeds and intervenes less, there is more traction, the ABS is less intrusive, and the seats etc. hold you in place so you can feel what the car is doing. If you do make a mistake or get a slide, fixes are quick and easy, and the suspension doesn't load up and require multiple corrections. The car is not designed for a complete novice to the track - for example, if you whack the throttle open while hard in a turn, you will oversteer - but if you can pilot a car with no stability control at 8/10 around a track, you'll find it easy to drive the 458C at 9.5/10.

Compared to our 599XX, the 458C is less powerful, has less grip and significantly less brakes, and is more nimble and more forgiving. The 599XX has a more intrusive stability control at the higher settings - it's designed to keep a novice alive with >>GT-class power and grip! - and more drama when you drive it. Side by side I expect the 599XX would be quicker at a high-speed circuit, and might be a toss-up on a slower circuit.

treynor 05-08-2014 09:14 PM

A couple more fun tidbits from that weekend --

First, one of my friends took some terrific pictures of turns 11 and 6:

The turn 11 hairpin (125 MPH --> 40 MPH)
http://www.treynor.com/Ferrari/458C-Sonoma-T11.jpg

Turn 6, aka "the Carousel" - a 1.4G ~80MPH descending left-hander onto the back straight:
http://www.treynor.com/Ferrari/458C-Sonoma-T6.jpg

Second, I went poking through all the footage from the weekend and discovered that my very last lap of the weekend was completely clean, and as a result... :-D


riviera 05-09-2014 05:16 AM

Ben - thank you for describing the differences between the 458 Challenge and the 599XX. I understand , reading between the lines, that the 599XX is very demanding and possibly an unforgiving car !
Great videos, enjoy very much watching them . What is the shift speed of the Challenge vs the Speciale?

treynor 05-09-2014 06:00 AM

I would partially agree. The 599XX is a friendly car to drive, but the speeds and limits are significantly higher than the 458C and that makes it more demanding. For example, watching the telemetry from the video above you can see that the 458C brakes consistently at 1.2G (peak). The 599XX brakes at 1.8G, so the braking markers are later and the times shorter. The XX also has 740HP vs the 458C's 570HP, so the acceleration is markedly quicker.

I have not yet driven the 458VS; the shift speed on the Challenge car seemed similar to a 458 Italia in race mode. Because it's a dual-clutch car the shift speed isn't a major issue - the acceleration is seamless and downshifts do not upset the car under braking.


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