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post #1 of 13 Old 07-11-2013, 05:40 AM Thread Starter
 
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Aftermarket CF - best match to factory?

I plan to be down at Ferrari of Washington to look over a 2012 458 this weekend, barring anything coming up that stops that. Car is in Silverstone/Nero with CF seats, CF interior, CF rear molding, CF filter box cover. Not sure how I will like the two tone seats but can't really tell until I get down there Saturday. Asking price is $305k with about 1200 miles.

An alternate car is the 2013 that CNC has right now with about 300 miles on it, also in Silverstone/Nero. Asking on that one is $288k but it is absent all the carbon which I really like the looks of. I'm figuring that to "carbonize" the interior plus the engine bay will, in all likelihood, push the cost up beyond car #1.


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I would like to finish out the engine bay in CF and also, most likely, do the rear diffuser in CF. In looking at the MaCarbon, Capristo etc. offerings it is difficult to tell from pictures on the sites how they might match up with the factory CF filter cover.

I also would probably get the door sills as well to tie that together.

Anyone have any thoughts as to who's might match up best? All other things being equal any quality preferences between the brands?

Thanks in advance for any comments, suggestions etc.
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post #2 of 13 Old 07-11-2013, 06:19 AM
 
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I would go for the 2012 car, seems to have a lot better spec.
Just my opinion! Do you have pics of both cars?
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Here is a link to the 2012 that is at Ferrari of Washington (Saturday's car):

2012 Ferrari 458 Italia Base Washington DC VA | Silver Spring MD Arlington Rockville MD Virginia ZFF67NFA6C0185230

Here is a link to the CNC car which is out in California so I would have to figure out time to fly out, view, drive, inspect etc. before I fly back to Europe in a couple weeks.

2013 Used Ferrari 458 Italia Coupe at CNC Motors Inc. Serving Ontario, CA, IID 10531474

I agree that the 2012 is a bit nicer spec-wise and it is easier for me to get evaluate.

The only other 458 that has caught my eye is the 2011 at Driving Emotions in Florida:

Vehicle Details and Information - 2011 Ferrari 458 Italia Italia, Giallo Triplo Strato - Driving Emotions

I really liked this one originally but the Silverstone has really grown on me.
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After seeing all the Cars....


Giallo!!!!! Wow what a great spec car! Only thing i would is change the rims or paint them black!
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Thought the same thing on the Giallo - was looking at HRE S104s as a possible choice. I like the BBS F1 wheel as well but not yet available for the 458 as I understand it.
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You can also look for some ADV.1 rims and finish them with a Giallo pinstripe!

Like this Panamera:
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I would definitly go for the Giallo, much better looking over grey imo!
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MaCarbon quality is better than OEM imho and I have had MaCarbon bits on all my cars. I will always pay them the extra buck because of their quality and their impeccable customer service.
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Here is a link to the 2012 that is at Ferrari of Washington (Saturday's car):

2012 Ferrari 458 Italia Base Washington DC VA | Silver Spring MD Arlington Rockville MD Virginia ZFF67NFA6C0185230

Here is a link to the CNC car which is out in California so I would have to figure out time to fly out, view, drive, inspect etc. before I fly back to Europe in a couple weeks.

2013 Used Ferrari 458 Italia Coupe at CNC Motors Inc. Serving Ontario, CA, IID 10531474

I agree that the 2012 is a bit nicer spec-wise and it is easier for me to get evaluate.

The only other 458 that has caught my eye is the 2011 at Driving Emotions in Florida:

Vehicle Details and Information - 2011 Ferrari 458 Italia Italia, Giallo Triplo Strato - Driving Emotions

I really liked this one originally but the Silverstone has really grown on me.
Ferrari of Washington car is nice. But do you want Silver / Grey Ferrari? It also has Cruise control which is hard to find, I use my CC often in my 458.

CNC Motors car would need MaCarbon interior upgrade, based on your tastes, and it is 1 year older.

The Driving Emotions car has been there for quite a while. They are asking way too much for the car, but it only needs the darker forged wheels added, the stock wheels look attrocious! The car is also coming up on the end of it's warranty, and it does not come with free 7 year maintenance, so some things to consider.

I would not pay more than MSRP for the 2013, MSRP minus 10k, minus $2.00 / mile for the 2012, and MSRP minus 20k minus $2.00 mile for the 2011, and I would also ask Driving Emotions to change out the wheels for free!

Let me know if I can help.

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Mark -

Great analysis as always, thank you. I do like the color and specs of the one at Driving Emotions but the warranty soon to be expiring and lack of 7 years maintenance comes in to play. They say they would let it go for $300k but I think it is more of a $290k car or so. My wife likes the gray one better too so that is, perhaps, one battle I choose not to fight.

I'm pricing out the 2012 at Ferrari of Washington based on what I can find and it looks like MSRP on that was right about $295k - does that number seem about right to you? If so that would price that one at about $283k or thereabouts if I'm doing the math right. They are asking $305k so it could make for an interesting conversation.

Thank you as always for helping with your knowledge.

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Mark -

Great analysis as always, thank you. I do like the color and specs of the one at Driving Emotions but the warranty soon to be expiring and lack of 7 years maintenance comes in to play. They say they would let it go for $300k but I think it is more of a $290k car or so. My wife likes the gray one better too so that is, perhaps, one battle I choose not to fight.

I'm pricing out the 2012 at Ferrari of Washington based on what I can find and it looks like MSRP on that was right about $295k - does that number seem about right to you? If so that would price that one at about $283k or thereabouts if I'm doing the math right. They are asking $305k so it could make for an interesting conversation.

Thank you as always for helping with your knowledge.

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The 458 market is becoming flooded. They should have a copy of the original window sticker, so just ask them to email it to you. Your tastes are superb, the race seats are a must for any 458. They are slightly different than the one's in the Scuderia's and 16M's, and offer a little better lower back support. I love mine. Keep in mind that the forged diamond cut wheels are a pain in the ass to refinish if ever curbed.

Let me know if you need anymore help.

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Got the window sticker emailed to me this morning. Shows the 2012 at $306k. From what you've indicated depreciation is $10k/year so with the 2014s hitting now does that make this a 2 year ($20k) depreciation or, since the 2014s are just getting here, is this one still a 1 year ($10k) car?

Hoping my son is in a good mood today, 1 year old has been testy this week after his 1 year pediatrician visit complete with 4 shots and a blood draw.

Thanks for any suggestions on where to price this thing out.

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Got the window sticker emailed to me this morning. Shows the 2012 at $306k. From what you've indicated depreciation is $10k/year so with the 2014s hitting now does that make this a 2 year ($20k) depreciation or, since the 2014s are just getting here, is this one still a 1 year ($10k) car?

Hoping my son is in a good mood today, 1 year old has been testy this week after his 1 year pediatrician visit complete with 4 shots and a blood draw.

Thanks for any suggestions on where to price this thing out.

Carl
You could split the difference? 2012 gets 15k deduction?

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Drove the 2012 yesterday down at Ferrari of Washington. Some observations & thoughts:

I was a little concerned about the two tone interior on it from the pictures ( Nero leather with Grigio Scuro Alcantara inserts in the seats, headliner and door panels) and my initial reaction to it was "too much". Once I got in the car though I found it to not be intrusive at all, due no doubt to my fat a** covering up most of the seat.

I like the CF interior, adds a nice degree of gloss to the otherwise matte interior which looked good IMO.

The CF air filter cover looked great in the engine bay and to be honest I am a bit surprised given how the car was spec'ed that they didn't go all the way and finish the entire bay in CF. If I end up taking this one I would be seriously tempted to change out the plastic to CF.

Going to give this one some real hard consideration. Sales guy said they would go "around $300k" on it but as much as I like the car I still feel that it is a $285-$290k-ish car given what else is out in the market that I would be more than happy to own. Premier Sports Cars has a nicely optioned Nero 2012 that I may need to fly out to see and Scottsdale Ferrari has a 2012 in Rosso Corsa/Nero that I like as well though the wife is not a big fan of red.

Work looks like it is putting a kink in this whole plan though, or at least a minor delay. I may have to fly back to Europe for 3 weeks or so at the end of the month so I may have to resume the hunt after that.
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