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458 Italia Break In?

I am planning starting Friday evening to start breaking in my 458 Italia, scheduled to be delivered around 1 P:M tomorrow. What break in procedure are you guys following? Was planning to do around 250 miles of freeway and in town driving Saturday, and the same for Sunday, before running the car up to 9k RPM.

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I am planning starting Friday evening to start breaking in my 458 Italia, scheduled to be delivered around 1 P:M tomorrow. What break in procedure are you guys following? Was planning to do around 250 miles of freeway and in town driving Saturday, and the same for Sunday, before running the car up to 9k RPM.
I have commented on this before. There is absolutely no need to break in a modern engine, none, zip nil zero. Only warming up is important. Then you can go as hard as you want with your brand spanking new Ferrari. That is all there is to it.

A modern Ferrari needs to have its driver broken in, big difference.

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Capo- Maybe, but there is a reason to break in brakes, transaxle, half shafts, etc. I remain unconvinced that running an engine under controlled circumstances on an engine dynamometer is the same as running it up to the same speeds on the street while it is new. If it were mine, I would treat it like I have all my high performance cars when they were new. Gradually raise revs on light throttle over the 1000 kms/600 miles until reaching redline and then gradually raise revs under heavy throttle the same way. Lathes all the parts true and does a good job of seating rings and makes for a bullet-proof engine.

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Mark, I have run in a few modern Ferraris now and agree in part with both Taz and Capo, however, my advice is it to go relatively easy using mixed revs & braking until you have done circa 250 miles, but this is more to break in the tyres and brakes, thereafter enjoy maxing your revs whenever you feel like it, but remember to check your fluids after 250/500/1000 miles to ensure they're ok too.

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If it's for your own ritual purposes, fine.

However, the tolerances are both correct and even from the beginning with today's machining technology. Therefore you are free to choose to simulate a breaking in procedure or take the car to the track immediately. Any setting of brakes will be done during the warmup lap. Lathing the parts true is in your mind (sorry Taz) since they are already true from factory.

Breaking in was needed back in the day when the fine adjustments were still made by hand.

To sum it up, do as you please cause you will do no harm.

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Capo- Sorry, we will just have to disagree on this one. All the new cars I have purchased have break-in mileage quoted in the owners manuals, including Ferraris. The manufacturers are not putting those recommendations in there for nothing.

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Capo- Sorry, we will just have to disagree on this one. All the new cars I have purchased have break-in mileage quoted in the owners manuals, including Ferraris. The manufacturers are not putting those recommendations in there for nothing.
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Capo- Sorry, we will just have to disagree on this one. All the new cars I have purchased have break-in mileage quoted in the owners manuals, including Ferraris. The manufacturers are not putting those recommendations in there for nothing.
That's fine

My life is too short for breaking in new cars. I don't buy green bananas either cause who knows what tomorrow brings...

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Ferrari has little interest in replacing engine for free, and they agree to do so for several years, especially considering the extended power cube warranty options.

This should indicate two things, They have engineered the cars realizing many people will put thought into a thorough break in process and they need to protect themselves from the wreckless. It should also tell you that the break in process outlined in the owner's manual is there for a reason, to prevent failure during the after sales period.

Odds are the engines are built in a way to protect you from yourselves. But if you really want to be diligent, so as Terry pointed out and follow the manufacturer's guidelines.

When I was building engines for BMW club racers, we would but the engines in the car and put the car on a chassis dyno and work our way up through the revs a couple thousand at a time until finally making a pull to redline. All the way checking vitals to ensure it's healthy, followed by a hand full of full power on runs to get a solid baseline of the engine mapping.

Some old school guys had taught me that decelerating with full engine braking, several times, is important to help seat the piston rings. Breaking an engine in under heavy acceleration loads can put a lot of stress on the bottom end and spin rod bearings. In my experience, this is a real concern in engines like the Lamborghini V12's which have very delicate rod bearings.


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When I was building engines for BMW club racers, we would but the engines in the car and put the car on a chassis dyno and work our way up through the revs a couple thousand at a time until finally making a pull to redline. All the way checking vitals to ensure it's healthy, followed by a hand full of full power on runs to get a solid baseline of the engine mapping.

Some old school guys had taught me that decelerating with full engine braking, several times, is important to help seat the piston rings. Breaking an engine in under heavy acceleration loads can put a lot of stress on the bottom end and spin rod bearings. In my experience, this is a real concern in engines like the Lamborghini V12's which have very delicate rod bearings.
The engine test procedure you are describing has already been properly done at the Ferrari factory before delivery. My guess is Ferrari when suggesting breaking in is that they are more concerned the client is getting properly broken in so as not to have unnecessary crashes which is bad for everybody involved. Of all my new Ferraris I have taken delivery of I have asked about breaking in or not. They have told me straight to go full on from my first moment... Just saying...

I have also heard from the old boys that letting go of the throttle at speed is good when breaking in. It gives a cooling high oil flow without the thermal and mechanical stress on the engine parts. Again, this procedure and general breaking in procedures are advisable particularly with partially restored engines where new and worn pieces must find a coexistence. New rings in an old liner is a perfect example. In the old days, a new engine would have such imperfections from the beginning and that is why the breaking in was important.

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Well 120 miles so far today, all under 5k rpm, sucks let me tell you. Will probably go to 400 then let er rip.

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Well 120 miles so far today, all under 5k rpm, sucks let me tell you. Will probably go to 400 then let er rip.
Enjoy!

If you feel the urge to rip you have plenty of other fabulous cars to take out for a spin!

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Enjoy!

If you feel the urge to rip you have plenty of other fabulous cars to take out for a spin!
Thanks for the help, appreciate it. Lambo and 16M got driven yesterday, Porsche for a bit today, but poor guy has to go into storage, out of room. Will try to get a shot with 12C and 458 together tomorrow.

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200 miles so far ripped it once. Love the sound with valves fully open. 12C just cannot compare to the scream of a Ferrari V8. Running a couple errands then back at it.

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Capo- Sorry, we will just have to disagree on this one. All the new cars I have purchased have break-in mileage quoted in the owners manuals, including Ferraris. The manufacturers are not putting those recommendations in there for nothing.
With a few hundred engines under my belt, I couldn't agree with Terry more. Just because they tested it on a dyno means nothing in terms of the engine or other drive-train components, for that matter, being fully broken it....

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Well 120 miles so far today, all under 5k rpm, sucks let me tell you. Will probably go to 400 then let er rip.
I would keep it under 5k rpm until you have have 600 miles on the clock at least. Agree with Taz etc that the break in period is their for a reason.
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+1, I would go easy too the first 1000km as I did with all of my cars. I believe that all mechanics need to be broken in as we all do with any expensive industrial machinery. I agree with Terry that it's not just the engine but all parts in movement.

And Mark, you'll have to wait up to 30.000/40.000 km before you'll start getting the maximum power out of your new toy
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