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458 'Scuderia' speculation

Would a centralized thread on the 458 'Scuderia' variant be appropriate?

A place for thoughts, interest, and insightful speculation?
I'm hearing a production run of around the '749' mark.
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I believe they will produce as many as they can sell. Should be a 2014 launch.
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Boxer- Affirmative, they are running about a year behind the 2010 projections on the Scuderia. Rest of it looks pretty good except the Enzo replacement.
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Car will be spendy, guessing 300k base price. Curious at how much more performance they can wring out of the 458. 600 bhp should be easy to achieve with a better exhaust. Wonder if they will resort back to the superfast transmission?

Might let my dealer keep my 20k deposit towards the car. Mr. Tonkin will of course get the first one allocated, who is after him, I am not sure.

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They will sure make both the scuderia and the 16 m replacement, on a recent factory trip was allowed to see a production time scale. scuderia in 2014 and the 16m late 2014 early 15

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458 Scuderia!!!!!!!! That would be something to get! Will it be limited production cars?

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458 Scuderia!!!!!!!! That would be something to get! Will it be limited production cars?
No, can't believe it will be. CS, 430S also not limited. 16M limited but not to the number that Ferrari claim.

I think there will be a limited spider again right at the end of production.



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Car will be spendy, guessing 300k base price. Curious at how much more performance they can wring out of the 458. 600 bhp should be easy to achieve with a better exhaust. Wonder if they will resort back to the superfast transmission?

Might let my dealer keep my 20k deposit towards the car. Mr. Tonkin will of course get the first one allocated, who is after him, I am not sure.
Add another 50k - my guess is 350k and 380k for the limited spider.

Going back to the single clutch the dual can't handle the added hp etc. plus there will be a substantial weight savings.

I recall the Mclaren having a 40ms shift vs the Scud 60ms - I am sure Ferrari will address that too

The whole point of the build it's meant to be tracked - it's one thing to go track a 125K Stradale or even a Scud at the current price levels. But tracking a 350k Ferrari just seems insane too me and the track is the only place a 600 hp Ferrari can stretch it's legs.

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Add another 50k - my guess is 350k and 380k for the limited spider.

Going back to the single clutch the dual can't handle the added hp etc. plus there will be a substantial weight savings.

I recall the Mclaren having a 40ms shift vs the Scud 60ms - I am sure Ferrari will address that too

The whole point of the build it's meant to be tracked - it's one thing to go track a 125K Stradale or even a Scud at the current price levels. But tracking a 350k Ferrari just seems insane too me and the track is the only place a 600 hp Ferrari can stretch it's legs.
The 458 currently has 40 millisecond shifts, does it not?
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I believe 50 but who knows - it sure doesn't seem faster than the Scud.

F1 are under 30ms - my guess is the new Scud will be between 40 - 50.

Lambo's claim is 50 ms which I don't believe but it is violent like the Scud

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The 458 currently has 40 millisecond shifts, does it not?
That is correct, 458 40 ms, and Scuderia, 16M, and GTO are 60 ms.

The Scuderia and 16M are the best single clutch cars currently available imo. My Performante was nice, but Lamborghini still, even with the same Bosch TCU's cannot get the programming down like Ferrari.

I have not driven a 2012 or 2013 458 Italia, so I am not sure how the changes feel that Ferrari did to make the 458 a little more sporty. Will see maybe at Exotic's Racing this coming February when I am down in Las Vegas if they happen to have a newer model.

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Doug- Think we discussed this before, but the DCT is already handling 730 hp in the F12. Bet you a beer there is no return to the dry plate clutch F1 system.

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I disagree


Ferrari California / 458 and FF after entering dual-clutch world the factory simply no longer publishes the data of the shift time.

Me thinks it's not faster than the Scud Lambo Mclaren which is why they don't publish it.

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Doug- Think we discussed this before, but the DCT is already handling 730 hp in the F12. Bet you a beer there is no return to the dry plate clutch F1 system.
True - but it's not violent and Scud owners love violence - but I also don't think it's as fast either.

Ferrari has been playing with the 458' shifting since day one only to change it again on the Spider.

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I disagree


Ferrari California / 458 and FF after entering dual-clutch world the factory simply no longer publishes the data of the shift time.

Me thinks it's not faster than the Scud Lambo Mclaren which is why they don't publish it.
Doug, IMO it is faster, you can really feel the difference in a 2nd to 3rd shift. Love that feeling at Exotic's Racing when you exit the hairpin.

Still would love to see a rolling race between a Scud and a 458. Cannot seem to find any on Youtube.

This is all I can find

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Ferrari quoted 40 ms (0.040 secs) to R&T for their test of the 458.

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Ferrari quoted 40 ms (0.040 secs) to R&T for their test of the 458.

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I read that - then I read Ferrari is unwilling to publish the shift times.

Which when you think about Ferrari bragging about the Scuds 60 ms shift times why wouldn't they refrain from braggin yet again - in my mind there is only one reason.

Some have said it feels and sounds like it shifted but in reality it has not.

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Doug, IMO it is faster, you can really feel the difference in a 2nd to 3rd shift. Love that feeling at Exotic's Racing when you exit the hairpin.

Still would love to see a rolling race between a Scud and a 458. Cannot seem to find any on Youtube.

This is all I can find

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I can tell you before the Capristo was installed a particular 458 and I did a few runs and up to 70 it was neck and neck ... after that not so much.

Now having the Capristo I think it's going to take 90 -100 before the 458 pulls away.

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No, can't believe it will be. CS, 430S also not limited. 16M limited but not to the number that Ferrari claim.

I think there will be a limited spider again right at the end of production.



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Would you please elaborate on the 16m comment about not being limited to the number of cars Ferrari says
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Would you please elaborate on the 16m comment about not being limited to the number of cars Ferrari says
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The 16M was supposed to be limited to 499 cars. Their are rumors that Ferrari built more than 499. Don't know if anyone has any actual proof though.

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