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post #1 of 30 Old 08-23-2012, 05:48 AM Thread Starter
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Another 458 on fire and destroyed

A friend of mine has been a witness of another 458 on fire. This happened on the motorway near Yverdon in Switzerland on 18th August around 5pm. The owner was able to stop his car right before the Concise tunnel. As you can see, unfortunately, the Italia has been completely destroyed.

I’m wondering if the owner’s car has been recalled since Ferrari recognized that the resin glue used on heatshields was the cause of several fires. Or would it be another unknown issue? The fact is that on Swiss motorways, the maximum speed is limited at 120 km/h and no one would dare to overspeed at very high speeds. When cruising at 120 km/h (or even at a bit higher speed), the engine bay usually stays very cool as you have a good level of fresh air venting the engine bay while the engine will run only at 3000/3500 rpm…
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Wonder how long it'll be before Ferrari offer an automatic foam or FM-200 fire suppression system as a $20K option on the 458?

I would think the fairly switched on insurance companies are following these events closely, and adjusting their rates accordingly...... Thankfully there hasn't been any collateral damage to other vehicles/people/property yet?

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I would prefer a bag of marshmallows and an umbrella as a utensil for toasting.

Eventually these fires are going to burn more than a Ferrari,

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Been thinking, should I cancel my 458 order, and move towards the F12? Scary, an FF also recently burned, something I wrong in the manufacturing process when that many cars go up.

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Been thinking, should I cancel my 458 order, and move towards the F12? Scary, an FF also recently burned, something I wrong in the manufacturing process when that many cars go up.
Stick with the Scud and 16M!

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Stick with the Scud and 16M!
The 458 is in addition to. Neither the Scud nor 16M will be sold / traded.

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Mark- Would much rather have an F12, but then I am a V12 guy. You already have two great rear mid-engined cars, so a fairly quick front mid-engine car would complement them nicely.

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Let it burn and get something new: so don't use fire surpression.

I heard the resin was only in the rear wheel wells and not the front so that may in fact be the issue.

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Been thinking, should I cancel my 458 order, and move towards the F12? Scary, an FF also recently burned, something I wrong in the manufacturing process when that many cars go up.
With your stable - suggest canceling.

There are more 458's on e-bay than 599's and 612's combined.

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that is interesting. but i guess the production numbers may play a part.



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An unfortunate car-b-que on the open road or at a track event is a very bad day. Storing your ride in the garage after a night on the town with the 'ol lady or a multi-car incident is quite a bit more horrifying when it sets ablaze.

On the topic of available 458's . . . not yet having the opportunity to place a new Ferrari order and still a rookie, I'm surprised to see so many year old, low mileage 458's on the market. I can run all sorts of business tax models in my head and can't figure how an owner would wait 12-14 months for a hand-built beauty for only a single season of driving. Is it just an amazing luxury to have or is there another pattern us novice should be working towards? Can't say I could let it go so quickly.
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An unfortunate car-b-que on the open road or at a track event is a very bad day. Storing your ride in the garage after a night on the town with the 'ol lady or a multi-car incident is quite a bit more horrifying when it sets ablaze.

On the topic of available 458's . . . not yet having the opportunity to place a new Ferrari order and still a rookie, I'm surprised to see so many year old, low mileage 458's on the market. I can run all sorts of business tax models in my head and can't figure how an owner would wait 12-14 months for a hand-built beauty for only a single season of driving. Is it just an amazing luxury to have or is there another pattern us novice should be working towards? Can't say I could let it go so quickly.
Many of them that I know of let them go for Spiders. Losing 50 - 60k only to get it right back when their new Spider arrives - at least on paper

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With your stable - suggest canceling.

There are more 458's on e-bay than 599's and 612's combined.
True, but they all have higher asking prices than the MSRP of my 2013, and no free 7 year maintenance, no Michelin Pilot SS tires, and no upgraded shift and E-diff programming, and the very hard to find cruise control, and the hard to find leather with alcantara race seats.

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True, but they all have higher asking prices than the MSRP of my 2013, and no free 7 year maintenance, no Michelin Pilot SS tires, and no upgraded shift and E-diff programming, and the very hard to find cruise control, and the hard to find leather with alcantara race seats.
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Just better add the extinguisher option I guess, or install the one I removed from my Scud?

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Back to the topic...anyone has an idea what would be the cause of this fire? On picture 2, the flames are coming from the LHS wheel before it spreads to the entire engine bay. I may be wrong but didn't all the previous 458's started burning exactly there? What would be specific on the LHS that can burn so strongly because I'm a bit surprised that a little bit resin can create such a fire.
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Back to the topic...anyone has an idea what would be the cause of this fire? On picture 2, the flames are coming from the LHS wheel before it spreads to the entire engine bay. I may be wrong but didn't all the previous 458's started burning exactly there? What would be specific on the LHS that can burn so strongly because I'm a bit surprised that a little bit resin can create such a fire.
It burned up other cars, why not this one if the owner did not get the warranty work done? And or not a very professional dealer sending out letters to all their clients? Easiest to wait and hear from your friend what the dealership or insurance company discovers what the actual cause is. We can make guesses all day.

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The bad news is aluminum burns and does not just melt, and igntion temperature is fairly low compared to most metals (magnesium is worse). So a fire that starts in something like a resin can use the resin as an accelerant to reach the ignition temperature of aluminum. Since the chassis and body are made out of relatively thin aluminum, a bad scenario often results. Temperatures often get hot enough to toast off the engine and other thick aluminum castings, too

Mark- What David was trying to say was once a fire starts in an aluminum, modern, mass produced Ferrari, the car is pretty much totaled. Unless the car is a relatively rare aluminum bodied car like an aluminum 275 GTB or something similar, a fire extinguisher is not going to be much use. I remember seeing photos of a steel 250 or other early Ferrari somebody was restoring after an engine fire. The steel body was just scorched, the engine ancilliaries were shot but the thick engine castings were intact, and the passenger compartment was intact, but the aluminum hood/bonnet was completely destroyed, with nothing left.

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Mark- What David was trying to say was once a fire starts in an aluminum, modern, mass produced Ferrari, the car is pretty much totaled. Unless the car is a relatively rare aluminum bodied car like an aluminum 275 GTB or something similar, a fire extinguisher is not going to be much use. I remember seeing photos of a steel 250 or other early Ferrari somebody was restoring after an engine fire. The steel body was just scorched, the engine ancilliaries were shot but the thick engine castings were intact, and the passenger compartment was intact, but the aluminum hood/bonnet was completely destroyed, with nothing left.
Ok, but then why quote me, what I said had nothing to do with the fact that once a fire starts, like Wet Pet said before, just simply get out and let it burn. I was commenting on the 458 as a car, and just threw in the fire extinguisher removal as a light joke.

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