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458 Italia Catches on Fire in Paris

Unfortunately this is something obviously no one likes to see, but does seem to be happening often over the past couple of months with various cars. In this case it's happened to a brand new 458

As sad as it might sound, a brand new Ferrari 458 Italia caught fire in central Paris. After having the vehicle for just a few days, the owner was driving around in his beautiful sports car when he noticed that one of the rear wheel arches had started to burn. There is no explanation as to how this might have happened, but the fire started in the wheel and then spread rapidly. Fortunately there was a passer-by who happened to have a fire extinguisher on hand and he was able to extinguish the fire.
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Seems to be a few fires every new model.

What a shame!

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It will be interesting to see if this emerges as a trend or if it is just a one-off problem.

I'm no expert, but my understanding is the 458 has the new direct fuel injection system (along with the California) where as the 360 and 430 had the older style fuel injection. I've been told that the direct injection system needs much higher pressure (2900 psi) since it injects fuel directly into the cylinder and not into the induction (430's is < 200 psi, I believe).

Also mid-engine cars seem to have more fires than the front-engine cars with similar technology, don't know why, but it seems to be true. Perhaps the added heat back there? Perhaps the driver doesn't notice a slight fuel smell before the fire starts?

So, with the much higher psi pressure and being Ferrari's first road car with direct fuel injection, it is worth watching if any more of these fires occur or not. Especially now that 458 deliveries are in full swing.
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This is why I wanted a second year car, not the first year of production. Every model seems to have this sort of trouble, one way or the other. They just can't seem to get it right in the first year of production, no matter how great the car is or isn't.

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This always happens with a new model cars. Ford to GM to Ferrari. There will be recalls.
Poor guy.

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It looks good in black with natural flames though...
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Not good at all. Didn't a few 430s go up right after it came out?
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Not good at all. Didn't a few 430s go up right after it came out?
Yep, as I recall. I wonder what happened. When it said the fire started around the wheel I was thinking maybe the brakes got too hot and that heat caused the fire, but that doesn't seem to be the case in the photos. And also from the neighborhood it doesn't appear there was any room for that kind of spirited driving warranting that level of braking. I hope it isn't a vehicle flaw.

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Not good at all. Didn't a few 430s go up right after it came out?
Yes, among other things like throwing a piston in the first 100 miles (I have the video, just need to find time and upload) and getting an entirely new engine from the factory.
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The direct injection system does run substantial pressure. I'm sure if this was a fuel related fire that one extinguisher wouldn't have saved it...it'd a pile of melted aluminum.

Alot of the fire related issues with the 430's were in fact a result of not being able to evacuate enough heat from the engine bay. Even the challenge cars which are given more aggressive ventilation panels than the road car suffered from this for a while.

Hopefully this incident is more of an assembly issue as opposed to an engineering issue and doesn't evolve into an on going concern.


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oh, when you said catches on fire in Paris, I was expecting a speed video not a smoores roast.

not good. Like all have noticed, these cares need just a couple more weeks to sort out and keep under warranty.

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Another 458 Italia Caught on Fire

According to Wrecked Exotics, this seems to be the first 458 that caught on fire before the black one mentioned above. The accident also took place in France and occured after the 458 climbed a mountain pass and the engine caught fire burning it to a crisp.
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That is more than well done, it is overcooked. Sad. w/ smiles Jimmy
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These things come with ejector seats and removable roofs as well right?


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It will be interesting to see if this emerges as a trend or if it is just a one-off problem.

I'm no expert, but my understanding is the 458 has the new direct fuel injection system (along with the California) where as the 360 and 430 had the older style fuel injection. I've been told that the direct injection system needs much higher pressure (2900 psi) since it injects fuel directly into the cylinder and not into the induction (430's is < 200 psi, I believe).

Also mid-engine cars seem to have more fires than the front-engine cars with similar technology, don't know why, but it seems to be true. Perhaps the added heat back there? Perhaps the driver doesn't notice a slight fuel smell before the fire starts?

So, with the much higher psi pressure and being Ferrari's first road car with direct fuel injection, it is worth watching if any more of these fires occur or not. Especially now that 458 deliveries are in full swing.
Looks like a design flaw in the 458 with insufficient air flow [DeaD ZonE] to the mid engine whereas a front engine configuration will usually allow plenty of circulation. Photo shows the aluminum body burned right on through in the left rear. Interesting

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I believe that's the worlds most expensive pile of ash.
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