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post #21 of 51 Old 05-06-2017, 06:37 PM
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Ciao Fabio,

Dio mio...4500 Euro per year of tax for a V6 engine car is terrible!

There are similar "road" taxes in Asian countries and a big reason why V12s are no longer very popular in Japan. (Jimmy, please correct me if I'm wrong.)

My Japan experience showed that the Ferrari V8s were more expensive than V12s compared to American prices because of the much higher annual road tax.

In the US and Canada, we do not have annual road taxes, we simply renew our license plate for a small fee.

Thank you for the technical explanation of the engine design angle, you are a good teacher.

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Gianni, you are correct partially to mention that V12s are not as popular as V8 et al. With a broad statement, it is more of mental plus the tax issues. Owning a V12 is simply not practical and a waste since there's hardly any roads like the Continent to enjoy it's potential. Probably cruising around 2000~2500 rpm is the reality with the max speed limit of 80kph on tollways and average of 50kph in Tokyo. Even V8 would hardly be put to any use under these circumstances.

Taxes here are quite complicated. The most direct, annual "weight tax" (assessed by engine cc) is about $1000 for over 6 liters. However, there's this biannual registration (similar to MOT, I guess) where all kinds of taxes are slapped on in addition to the basic compulsory insurance required by law. And there's more.

Therefore, owning any V12, be it Ferrari, MB, whatever is simply not very realistic. As you know very well, the most popular class is the ultra low cc midget cars 4 cylinders kind, which is really all you need.

I am shocked to hear how crazy it is in Italy...

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yes Giulia Quadrifoglio is a nice car but as a daily driver have only two wheel drive and with 510 HP in Italy i will pay 4500 eur per year of tax, excluded insurance ....

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Ciao Fabio,

My local Ferrari dealership also sells Alpha Romeo (they are now performing the Ferrari Classiche Certification on my 550 now). They have invited me to test drive the Giulia Quadrifoglio, so I'll let you know of my experience.

With your detailed explanation of the 90 degree V6 in the Giulia got me very interested, so I did more research about this model. After reading many articles and watching YouTube videos, I am amazed at how well the Alpha Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio has been designed and manufactured with all new components (nothing borrowed from Fiat, Maserati, Ferrari, or Chrysler) and the result has been an overwhelming success! Here are my 2 favourite videos.

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If they make a coupe version, I would be very tempted to buy it.

But in the meantime, I'll continue my search to buy my first Alpha Romeo. I found a 1600 Zagato (1973) in Japan. This model was based on the 1600 Spider, so mechanical parts are easy to find, but finding a windshield is also impossible. Since only 402 were made, it's a very rare Alpha Romeo model (I could not find any for sale in Canada or the USA). By any chance, do you know about this model and can you offer any advice of what to look for when inspecting it?

Saluti,
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PS to Jimmy: I may be visiting you again if the Zagato passes my agent's first inspection.

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Ciao Gianni,
how are you?
sorry for the delay answer .... your text is not legible ..i don't know why ...
could you resend please?

About my new car i took decision last tuesday ....
I sold my cls the 31 of may .... after that I watched few cars used but my dreams was too big ... principal problem was the luxury itlaina tax connected to the engine power .....
In Short, I purchased the new Alfa Giulia Veloce Q4 280 CV petrol ...
FCA make a discount to the freelance working people, i have not old car to give back .. and they gave me 20% of discount!

I added follow options:
- blu Misano colour
- 19 inch rims
- yellow caliper
- Lusso Noce pack
- Performance pack (self lock differential, electronic shock absorber control)
- Light pack
- Driver Assistance Pack
- Conveninece Pack
- Clima Pack

Following two pictures from web, but my is exactly the same ....

In a certain sens she remeber me the old Giulia Nuova Super 1300 Blu Le Mans that had my father .....

Delivery within 2 month..

I hope i not throw away my money ....

Best

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Fabio- Congrats on the new Alfa. Looking forward to seeing a driving report.
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thanks i hope to did a good choice .... Magazine reports are good, I like the body especially the Veloce version ....

I miss 2 cylinders ..... this is my big problem ....

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Ciao Gianni,
how are you?
sorry for the delay answer .... your text is not legible ..i don't know why ...
could you resend please?

About my new car i took decision last tuesday ....
I sold my cls the 31 of may .... after that I watched few cars used but my dreams was too big ... principal problem was the luxury itlaina tax connected to the engine power .....
In Short, I purchased the new Alfa Giulia Veloce Q4 280 CV petrol ...
FCA make a discount to the freelance working people, i have not old car to give back .. and they gave me 20% of discount!

I hope i not throw away my money ....

Best

Fabio
Complimenti Fabio!!! Que bellisima macchina.

Your money is very safe in this Alfa Romeo Giulia VQ4 and the 280 version will save you a lot of money on the annual luxury tax. Great selection...I am very happy for you!

I love the classic Alpha Romeo blu...classico, come tuo papa. One day, I hope you can take me for a drive in it.

Please, when you receive your Giulia, make a sound recording of the engine music...I want to hear it sing!

I was very surprised at your choice of colours since it not close to any Ferrari colour. But I love it.

I was also surprised because I will be looking at a 1960 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1300 Sprint (restored) of a similar to colour your father's car.

I will be also looking at a 1973 Alfa Romeo Montreal (original condition) from the original owner. Wish me luck to negotiate a good sale.

Please be patient waiting the next 2 months...piano, piano.

Saluti e auguri,
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Ciao Fabio,

The 1960 Giulietta that I saw in Amsterdam last week was more beautiful in real life than in the photos. This Alfa Romeo was restored to perfection. It was love at first sight. Obviously, it drove like a 1960s car with a very small engine (1300 cc), drum brakes, and older suspension design, but it ran perfectly.

The 1973 Montreal had been repainted with poor quality which was a disappointment. I was also disappointed of the ordinary sound of its V8 engine (I was hoping for much more).

With the high Euro compared to the Canadian dollar (1.5 CDN to buy 1 Euro), the price for both cars was at the high end of the range, then adding the shipping to Canada, import duty, and taxes, the price now becomes above the range maximum, so I decided not to buy. But I will continue my Alfa Romeo search.

Looking forward to your "first drive" comments of your new Giulia Nuova Super 1300!!!

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Ciao Gianni,
how are you?
sorry for the delay answer .... your text is not legible ..i don't know why ...
could you resend please?

About my new car i took decision last tuesday ....
I sold my cls the 31 of may .... after that I watched few cars used but my dreams was too big ... principal problem was the luxury itlaina tax connected to the engine power .....
In Short, I purchased the new Alfa Giulia Veloce Q4 280 CV petrol ...
FCA make a discount to the freelance working people, i have not old car to give back .. and they gave me 20% of discount!

I added follow options:
- blu Misano colour
- 19 inch rims
- yellow caliper
- Lusso Noce pack
- Performance pack (self lock differential, electronic shock absorber control)
- Light pack
- Driver Assistance Pack
- Conveninece Pack
- Clima Pack

Following two pictures from web, but my is exactly the same ....

In a certain sens she remeber me the old Giulia Nuova Super 1300 Blu Le Mans that had my father .....

Delivery within 2 month..

I hope i not throw away my money ....

Best

Fabio
very beautiful Alfa, Fabio; congratulations and good luck with her.

Scusami, for not visiting you last month. My wife Judith and I flew to Milano to meet friends from France and stayed three days with them at their home on Lago Maggiore, then to Firenze that Judith had never seen, then to Maranello for factory visit. As we left the reception to start tour who was coming out of executive offices but Sergio Marchione and Piero, entered a Maserati Levante to airport to fly to Monaco for the G.P. We then took train to Nice and watched the F1 race from the bar of the Cafe de Paris of the Casino Monte-Carlo. Then some days in Paris and home on Queen Mary 2. It was an interesting passage as we had rough seas and gale force 8 to 9 winds. On the voyage the ship detoured in mid-Atlantic to rescue a 73 year-old Englishman who was sailing his 42 foot sailboat single-handed in a trans-Atlantic race when it lost its steering, was knocked down - mast flat underwater. Very lucky man not to have perished.

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Complimenti Fabio!!! Que bellisima macchina. Your money is very safe in this Alfa Romeo Giulia VQ4 and the 280 version will save you a lot of money on the annual luxury tax. Great selection...I am very happy for you!...........
I was also surprised because I will be looking at a 1960 Alfa Romeo Giulietta 1300 Sprint (restored) of a similar to colour your father's car................Saluti e auguri,
Gianni
Gianni, that Alfa Giulietta sprint coupe is the car I most dreamed about having when I was in law school in the 1950s! I could not imagine dreaming about a Ferrari. I still believe it is one of the most perfect designs of any car ever built.

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The 1960 Giulietta that I saw in Amsterdam last week was more beautiful in real life than in the photos. This Alfa Romeo was restored to perfection. It was love at first sight. Obviously, it drove like a 1960s car with a very small engine (1300 cc), drum brakes, and older suspension design, but it ran perfectly.

The 1973 Montreal had been repainted with poor quality which was a disappointment. I was also disappointed of the ordinary sound of its V8 engine (I was hoping for much more).

With the high Euro compared to the Canadian dollar (1.5 CDN to buy 1 Euro), the price for both cars was at the high end of the range, then adding the shipping to Canada, import duty, and taxes, the price now becomes above the range maximum, so I decided not to buy. But I will continue my Alfa Romeo search.

Looking forward to your "first drive" comments of your new Giulia Nuova Super 1300!!!

Saluti,
Gianni
Ciao Gianni,

if i remember correct EU and CA in april closed an agreement for reduce the import taxes .... did you had this benefit?
Giulietta is very nice!
About Montreal i never listened from alive ....
About my new Giulia delivery is scheduled for the 20th of July, i'm in trepidation, now i'm not so happy of the choice but i hope after few km I will love her ....

As soon she will be delivered i will post impression and video!
As per advertised data the consumption is low (at slow drive) but she drink the 0-100 in 5.3 sec!

On dream is to re buy the blue Giulia of my father, that is in Bologna, not far to me , i remember when i was young i did lot of maintenance works in this car, i 'm able to work on her with closed eyes .....

Good luck for your search ...

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very beautiful Alfa, Fabio; congratulations and good luck with her.

Scusami, for not visiting you last month. My wife Judith and I flew to Milano to meet friends from France and stayed three days with them at their home on Lago Maggiore, then to Firenze that Judith had never seen, then to Maranello for factory visit. As we left the reception to start tour who was coming out of executive offices but Sergio Marchione and Piero, entered a Maserati Levante to airport to fly to Monaco for the G.P. We then took train to Nice and watched the F1 race from the bar of the Cafe de Paris of the Casino Monte-Carlo. Then some days in Paris and home on Queen Mary 2. It was an interesting passage as we had rough seas and gale force 8 to 9 winds. On the voyage the ship detoured in mid-Atlantic to rescue a 73 year-old Englishman who was sailing his 42 foot sailboat single-handed in a trans-Atlantic race when it lost its steering, was knocked down - mast flat underwater. Very lucky man not to have perished.
Ciao Seth,
don't worry, I imagined that you had less time for make all ....
Wow, watched the F1 race from the bar of the Cafe de Paris of the Casino Monte-Carlo is a very luxury gift!

Did you like Nice? I went with my wife when Linda was 01 (2015) for the New Year, .... faboulous ... in particular the weather, when we started from our home teperature was 0C but after mountain from Genova to Nice 17C !!!!
I like cote d'azur ....

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don't worry, I imagined that you had less time for make all ....
Wow, watched the F1 race from the bar of the Cafe de Paris of the Casino Monte-Carlo is a very luxury gift!

Did you like Nice? I went with my wife when Linda was 01 (2015) for the New Year, .... faboulous ... in particular the weather, when we started from our home teperature was 0C but after mountain from Genova to Nice 17C !!!!
I like cote d'azur ....

Kindly

Fabio
I must confess, Fabio, that what we watched at the Cafe de Paris bar was its television, not the live action race, for we could not obtain tickets at a price less than a vintage Ferrari F1 car! ;-) still we probably saw more action than from the grandstands.

Nice is nice :-) we had a wonderful stay there, weather clear and comfortable, our hotel on the Promenade des Anglais facing the beach and the sea, excellent dinners. We were also in Antibes for a day.

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Hello Seth,

This 1960 Giulietta Sprint is in concours condition, professionally restored without exception, and drop dead gorgeous in real life!

The purchase price is reasonable, at the top end of the Hargerty valuation range, but well deserved. It's the importing and shipping costs that doesn't make financial sense to purchase. But my heart is still being tugged, so I'm sitting on the fence for now.

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if i remember correct EU and CA in april closed an agreement for reduce the import taxes .... did you had this benefit?
Giulietta is very nice!
About Montreal i never listened from alive ....
About my new Giulia delivery is scheduled for the 20th of July, i'm in trepidation, now i'm not so happy of the choice but i hope after few km I will love her ....

As soon she will be delivered i will post impression and video!
As per advertised data the consumption is low (at slow drive) but she drink the 0-100 in 5.3 sec!

On dream is to re buy the blue Giulia of my father, that is in Bologna, not far to me , i remember when i was young i did lot of maintenance works in this car, i 'm able to work on her with closed eyes .....

Good luck for your search ...

Fabio
Ciao Fabio,

Yes, the EU and Canada did make a free trade agreement earlier this year, but it will take a few years to implement it. I'm not sure it includes vintage cars, but I have asked a customs broker and waiting for their reply.

Your new Giulia will be just fine and will make for a new "dream" Alfa Romeo for your daughter, just like your father's car was to you. Piano e pazienza mio amico.

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Hello friends,
yesterday i picked up my new Giulia Veloce ....
Nice car, but i miss the 6 cylinders sound ..
The best is the handling, approx like the my HGTC...

with the electronic shock absorbers control the confort in "normal" is very pretty, and in "dynamic" car change face, gearbox become fast and suspension hard ....
Nice toy, also if is veri along from the quality and the details attention of my old merceds CLS ....
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Hello Seth,

This 1960 Giulietta Sprint is in concours condition, professionally restored without exception, and drop dead gorgeous in real life!

The purchase price is reasonable, at the top end of the Hargerty valuation range, but well deserved. It's the importing and shipping costs that doesn't make financial sense to purchase. But my heart is still being tugged, so I'm sitting on the fence for now.

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where is the Giulietta Sprint? I'm right now with the agony of importing a 412 purchased from the vice-president of the Club Ferrari France who was kind enough to drive the car from his home just south of Paris to the shipper in Amsterdam, saving me almost US$2,000. transport from Paris to Amsterdam - can you believe it?

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Fabio- Very pretty Alfa. Looks like she will be fun to drive.

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Hello friends,
yesterday i picked up my new Giulia Veloce ....
Nice car, but i miss the 6 cylinders sound ..
The best is the handling, approx like the my HGTC...

with the electronic shock absorbers control the confort in "normal" is very pretty, and in "dynamic" car change face, gearbox become fast and suspension hard ....
Nice toy, also if is veri along from the quality and the details attention of my old merceds CLS ....
Ciao Fabio,

Congratulations on finally getting your new Alfa Romeo, che bellisima macchina!

I like the colour combination, blu/crema...very elegant, but still sporty.

Looking forward to hearing more about her handling once you have driven her a little more.

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where is the Giulietta Sprint? I'm right now with the agony of importing a 412 purchased from the vice-president of the Club Ferrari France who was kind enough to drive the car from his home just south of Paris to the shipper in Amsterdam, saving me almost US$2,000. transport from Paris to Amsterdam - can you believe it?
Hello Seth,

Yes, I can believe it! You are right about the high costs in Europe...$2,000 USD to transport a car from (near) Paris to Amsterdam which is about a 4 hour drive. But all costs are silly-high in Europe and is the main reason for me not purchasing the Giulietta Sprint (near Amsterdam), although it's a real beauty and drove like it was new (complete professional restoration).

The shipping costs by sea from Amsterdam to Montreal, then by ground from Montreal to Edmonton are almost 4x the cost of shipping from Tokyo to Edmonton, via Vancouver.

Then there's the very high Euro to Canadian dollar exchange rate which takes the purchase cost to another level. However, the exchange rate between the Japanese yen and the Canadian dollar has actually improved by 10% in the last month, to my favour

So I guess you can see where I am going with this search...yes, that right...I'm going back to Japan in a few weeks to look at 2 Giulietta Sprints as well as a few GTVs.

Good luck with getting your 412 from France to its new home in the USA. I'm sure you'll enjoy it for a long time! Please keep us updated with its progress.

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