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are mondials reliable

ive owned a mondial for nearly two weeks but have still yet to drive it, its still down the father in laws lock up awaiting a cam belt change, full service and its clutch sorting out, i just watched the top gear episode where they buy supercars for under ten grand. it got me thinking just how reliable my car is going to be, its got about 37000 miles on the 3.2 v8 engine , can any one give me some info about what to expect and if anyone has any experience of owning a mondial i would gladly listen.pic of my car have been added.
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you should be good to go, after the service has been performed ON THE ENGINE stuff.

but as for the other little bits of Ferrari engineering, well, get out the check book and
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on a better note: address some specific areas, like tires, or suspension or interior...way too much area to cover in a couple words.
SO, suggest you start next response like 'wondering on the annual/typical costs for tires' , then something else so to keep it all in context.
as a general rule, you might want to check out the suspension and lines for replacement/repair, not to mention the usual wires and such...oh, ya' that fuse block...I could go on.

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Snow, what's that......
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one thing for sure watch, you sure sound like you can't wait for your Ferrari
matter of fact, can't wait either for you to get into it.

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Reliable enough for a classic car I think. There are problems with these cars and they are kind of getting on a bit. Mine is a QV and the only real issue I have ever had is the crap fuse box. Think was improved to some extent on the 3.2.
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thanks, i have read several times about the fuse boxes, what exactly is the problem?
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there are several problems associated with the fuse block for 308/328/[and yes]348 series.

I actually wound up having to import from NOS, Europe an entire 348/T-cabriolet fuse box.

There is a person, who has made an upgraded/improved 308/328 block...isn't much of a looker, but does the job well [ http://www.birdmanferrari.com/fusebox_upgrade.htm ]

I can talk about the 348 series the best:
The problem seems to be a heat buildup near the connection points of where the wires from the various body parts attach to the fuse box [see attached drawing and red circle].

The result is a delamination of the various plates that map fuses to circuits: circuit plates. There have been some efforts, by those that are enterprising, to take apart each plate, resolder and fix each place and in some cases even re-mfgr the plate themselves, but that is quite a project I wouldn't like to do on a car. Small radio or such, but not something too valuable or needing pro work where dangerous currents flow.

Another project is to replace the entire block in a more robust manner: not a bad approach, as this item is in need of better standards IMO. However, I stick with original OEM parts for show, and value to the original presentation, which is my choice.

The difficult part is not redoing the connection points for each fuse or relay, it's those pesky connection bayonettes I mentioned above. Seems they wera an odd sort to find suitable/easy replacements, and, well, some just redo the connectors from scratch. I'm sure someone here can find them, but many have tried and failed. Europe, where you are, might be easier to locate such.

Someone, as a matter of mention, wanted/wants to replace each fuse with a trip relay, which sounds exciting, but honestly.....why bother. Fuses are not that big a deal.

SO: NOT trying to scare you, this is just a 'sometimes' common thing. Every car has it, you might experience it, then again never. It is not as common as 'sticky parts' where the plastic gets gooeyish requiring a maintenance re-work or shocks that need replacing etc.

It IS something to inspect...IF you see burned areas [requires removal and inspecition of the back] or it is EXTREEMLY hot, then I'd have someone look at it, but don't panic. Getting a new/old stock block can just solve the issue that quick.

IF you ever see smoke from any place on your car OR smell electricals burning DO YOUSELF A BIG FAVOR, use the batter disconnect switch and get the problem sorted out.
may require an entire car rewire as some wires when fried affect other areas....but this can be a problem with any older car...Ferrari or not...Just don't ignore it....serious stuff.

IF you cannot resolve a smoldering wire in time, and cannot disconnect the power source in time...like any vehicle, it can go up in flames [again, hitch hikers guide to the galaxy: don't panic] bet be safe.

Many others here are better at this than I, but above is basically what I know of that fuse block.

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fuse box

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Can't really add to what has been said. In my case the fuel pump circuit has been the main culprit. The Ferrari specialists that look after my car have repaired the faulty circuits and the car has been fine.
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thanks again, thats been very helpful.
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I have 87, 3.2 cab which is driven daily, rain,shine,and in a huuricane in the time I have own it 7years,8k in maintenence, including a belt change recently.
it has been pretty reliable. As far as the electrical, sometimes everything works and sometimes it does not. The more you drive the better they run.
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[quote=D.Mauro;87784] As far as the electrical, sometimes everything works and sometimes it does not. quote]

Yep, they are not called gremlins for nothing....learn to knock on wood and honor the bridge trolls

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The more you drive the better they run.
no truer words have been spoken. Most interesting thing about the cars is the less they are used the more problems one finds....

there are some > 100,000 mile cars [ a bay area TR 512 comes to mind ] that has only regular service and good to go.

I could point out less than three year old cars needing all kinds of work as they are not driven. Something like 500 miles / year!! WRONG.

My Mondial T was 11 years old when I got it, and had < 10,000 miles on it....when I DID start to drive it, doubling the miles the problems started to appear. Once sorted...good to go IF driven each week for a regular run.

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As far as the electrical, sometimes everything works and sometimes it does not. quote]

Yep, they are not called gremlins for nothing....learn to knock on wood and honor the bridge trolls



no truer words have been spoken. Most interesting thing about the cars is the less they are used the more problems one finds....

there are some > 100,000 mile cars [ a bay area TR 512 comes to mind ] that has only regular service and good to go.

I could point out less than three year old cars needing all kinds of work as they are not driven. Something like 500 miles / year!! WRONG.

My Mondial T was 11 years old when I got it, and had < 10,000 miles on it....when I DID start to drive it, doubling the miles the problems started to appear. Once sorted...good to go IF driven each week for a regular run.
I am my mechanic's shop 3-4 times, to bs with him and to see what he is working on, most of them are real low mileage cars, and are always in for some sort of repairs. I have seen of the same cars there often, because they repair them and let them sit, but they are in mint shape. I just can not figure, why they own them stay in a garage.
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I am my mechanic's shop 3-4 times, to bs with him and to see what he is working on, most of them are real low mileage cars, and are always in for some sort of repairs. I have seen of the same cars there often, because they repair them and let them sit, but they are in mint shape. I just can not figure, why they own them stay in a garage.
Don't know how you took credit for MY post Dom....

just kiddin' buddy.

Well, you are correct that they are typically low mileage cars: Thing is, most owners are older, not younger and the typical owner just likes to make small jaunts.

Some truly love the car for many reasons...it wans't exactly a highly sought after model, as most owners picture the two seater....facts of Ferrari Life [HEY, good title for a web site ]

I choose to rack up the miles....Somewhere near the 35,000 mile mark or more today. But would have more if the 456 wasn't here.

TODAY, mentioning 'issues' and garaging...FINALLY getting around to fixing the steering and other items...been putting it off as finances and housing market is taking up my time. With several project just sitting, keeping them going is taking all the resources .. Bummer.

here are today's picks ... ya' it's DUSTY, why, well last weekend I am lining my BBQ bottom with custom granite tiles....need to cut in slots for the heat to rise, using an angle cutter and a diamond wheel

GUESS what brain child didn't do: Open the garage or do it outside ... course it was raining and I am NOT one to stop something once I get a hair up my ---...... good thing I have a very understanding tollerant mate.

ok, issues:
1. Steering whining, groaning sound. Either the left-front steering motor is not getting fluid, even though showing full [though VERY hot hmmmm], I am thinking there is blockage: I've heard there might be an inline filter or coupling...will post as I DO have a pic of that but just can't get to it as in left front engine compartment. The steering motor is front boot area.
I've also heard there is a servo motor under the driver's dash....we'll see.

2. Getting the leveling lights coming on intermitanly. The one showing the side profile of the car with two triangles under each tire. That means the ECU's are not updated. Old Software had only one, servo controlling the entire leveling ECU. Updates had ALL servos giving input. Trouble with all, is if ONE or more go it locks down, tight, all servo motors for a nice track like experience until sorted correctly. 348/T and 456 GT series had three settings while the 456 M series had only two.
- the other item that may cause this is a+ more servo motor. The plastic CHEAP tops that hold the gear to screw down the suspension can break. There is a guy on ebay that makes less expensive METAL replacements and they are much better for a longer run...I'd opt for them but will see.
- other is electrical to each servo...will check
- lastly, and might be the issue is to rebuild the Bilstein shocks, which isn't that expensive, < $300 IIRC. Using a 3rd party but one that is highly trusted that Brian uses, is FAST and non-expensive. Using OEM, Bilstein is S-L-O-W even with the 'rush' fee. Many threads on this.

3. Needs SMOG - we'll see where that goes, if more needed, Brians the guy.

4. Side strakes, see below: Have metal ones from first series 1989 Mondial T that will replace my cheap plastic ones. Note the broken tips
having the old ones sent back, will glue them back...repaint and hang on wall like art: Should be cuuoooooll

5. Due for an engine out, service, this August, but will wait for December or such as finances dictate that path. Desperately needs a new set of tires too

Pick of the strakes include a bottle of very nice Old Vine Zin which is awsome..sending Brian a bottle...gotta keep the mech happy if not toasty.

other picks show the wild kitaays foraging on my dusty T

oh, well....gotta love it.

will keep posted as when I get it back THE TONNEAU COVER WILL BE NEXT to complet and post. Yipeee
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Pic of the side strake problem on a Mondial T

Due to weather, sun, bad leaning by someone at the curb, a POOR detail guy with an energetic buffer [ask me how I know] or just stretching causes these cheap, sorry they are, plastic strakes to just go under.

The metal ones are much better.

I'll be posting a lot of strake pics later as that makes for an interesting thread.

Heard also this is a problem with a certain series 348.
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Don't know how you took credit for MY post Dom....

just kiddin' buddy.

Well, you are correct that they are typically low mileage cars: Thing is, most owners are older, not younger and the typical owner just likes to make small jaunts.

Some truly love the car for many reasons...it wans't exactly a highly sought after model, as most owners picture the two seater....facts of Ferrari Life [HEY, good title for a web site ]

I choose to rack up the miles....Somewhere near the 35,000 mile mark or more today. But would have more if the 456 wasn't here.

TODAY, mentioning 'issues' and garaging...FINALLY getting around to fixing the steering and other items...been putting it off as finances and housing market is taking up my time. With several project just sitting, keeping them going is taking all the resources .. Bummer.

here are today's picks ... ya' it's DUSTY, why, well last weekend I am lining my BBQ bottom with custom granite tiles....need to cut in slots for the heat to rise, using an angle cutter and a diamond wheel

GUESS what brain child didn't do: Open the garage or do it outside ... course it was raining and I am NOT one to stop something once I get a hair up my ---...... good thing I have a very understanding tollerant mate.

ok, issues:
1. Steering whining, groaning sound. Either the left-front steering motor is not getting fluid, even though showing full [though VERY hot hmmmm], I am thinking there is blockage: I've heard there might be an inline filter or coupling...will post as I DO have a pic of that but just can't get to it as in left front engine compartment. The steering motor is front boot area.
I've also heard there is a servo motor under the driver's dash....we'll see.

2. Getting the leveling lights coming on intermitanly. The one showing the side profile of the car with two triangles under each tire. That means the ECU's are not updated. Old Software had only one, servo controlling the entire leveling ECU. Updates had ALL servos giving input. Trouble with all, is if ONE or more go it locks down, tight, all servo motors for a nice track like experience until sorted correctly. 348/T and 456 GT series had three settings while the 456 M series had only two.
- the other item that may cause this is a+ more servo motor. The plastic CHEAP tops that hold the gear to screw down the suspension can break. There is a guy on ebay that makes less expensive METAL replacements and they are much better for a longer run...I'd opt for them but will see.
- other is electrical to each servo...will check
- lastly, and might be the issue is to rebuild the Bilstein shocks, which isn't that expensive, < $300 IIRC. Using a 3rd party but one that is highly trusted that Brian uses, is FAST and non-expensive. Using OEM, Bilstein is S-L-O-W even with the 'rush' fee. Many threads on this.

3. Needs SMOG - we'll see where that goes, if more needed, Brians the guy.

4. Side strakes, see below: Have metal ones from first series 1989 Mondial T that will replace my cheap plastic ones. Note the broken tips
having the old ones sent back, will glue them back...repaint and hang on wall like art: Should be cuuoooooll

5. Due for an engine out, service, this August, but will wait for December or such as finances dictate that path. Desperately needs a new set of tires too

Pick of the strakes include a bottle of very nice Old Vine Zin which is awsome..sending Brian a bottle...gotta keep the mech happy if not toasty.

other picks show the wild kitaays foraging on my dusty T

oh, well....gotta love it.

will keep posted as when I get it back THE TONNEAU COVER WILL BE NEXT to complet and post. Yipeee
Rik, what's up with the T smoking like that.

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Pic of the side strake problem on a Mondial T

Due to weather, sun, bad leaning by someone at the curb, a POOR detail guy with an energetic buffer [ask me how I know] or just stretching causes these cheap, sorry they are, plastic strakes to just go under.

The metal ones are much better.

I'll be posting a lot of strake pics later as that makes for an interesting thread.

Heard also this is a problem with a certain series 348.
One reason the strakes get F up because some people do not know how to remove them properly, they just pull them out and bend the tips, and eventually break.
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well i took the Mondial to the west coast of Florida from the east, round trip plus driving around 450 miles. it ran excellent and a few times, did some good speeds when nobody was in front of me.
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