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Timing Jumped and Won't Restart!!!!!

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New to the forum and first post. I bought an 87 mondial 3.2 cab knowing the timing jumped. I was told the car ran but poorly. Upon inspection the timing did jump about 30 degrees at the crank (60 on front exhaust cam?). Fortunately put new belts and bearings on and compression is good.

The problem is the car won't start. Plugs are fouled but was running with fouled plugs. I bought the car sight unseen so have not had it running personally. I believe the car had not been run in two months. Im not sure if there is vapor lock or vacuum issue to air? Any input would be great as Im hoping to have it running by the end of the weekend. Thanks and Cheers!
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post #2 of 11 Old 12-21-2009, 12:57 PM
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truly surprised no one has responded to this: BUT, log back in, update the requests, and we'll see what goes.

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Welcome! Not the greatest of events to feature in a (first) post, but hey, that's (Ferrari)Life...

You sure the timing jump didn't result in something breaking, bending or getting stuck in the engine somewhere?

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You need to do two things. Trust me, I had to break this news to people for years...

1. Stop trying to start it. Just 'cause you cant hear anything doesn't mean that all is OK. You could already have catastrophic damage. "Jumped timing" is a bad bad bad thing.

2. Take it to a qualified and reputable shop. Be prepared for a possible complete teardown with head, valve, and piston work. Whatever you "saved" on the purchase is already spent double.

Running by the end of the weekend is probably not gonna happen and is NOT recommended. If you can get out of this sale, please do. This will not be a pleasant experience for you.

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great stuff guys. And I'm am truly suspecting that since it was a sight unseen purchase and it probalby sat for a LONG time, that there is much more going on in there. like rust and/or worn belts etc.

not good. FIRST this as said above: check it out with rep. shop...and something is bad inside.

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Agreed with both of the above.

Don't like to have to suggest this, but you had best think hard and prepare to make some choices:
- either: bite the bullet and opt for what could prove to be an expensive and likely lengthy bunch of repairs ,
- or: cut your losses and run (from this car), now...

Best of luck to you in any case and do keep us posted.

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Agreed with both of the above.

Don't like to have to suggest this, but you had best think hard and prepare to make some choices:
- either: bite the bullet and opt for what could prove to be an expensive and likely lengthy bunch of repairs ,
- or: cut your losses and run (from this car), now...

Best of luck to you in any case and do keep us posted.

Yup. Obviously he's no DIYer so, I'm suspecting a high bill here. On the side note, this would be a very nice car to cut his teeth on in the DIYer category.

Having said that, I'm almost quite certain he's turned it over to hear the bad news and exhausting the 'alternatives' which include going after the previous owner [no go], or trying to make space in that garage for 'down the road when I get money' or, trying to understand the value of a parts car.

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Yup. Obviously he's no DIYer so, I'm suspecting a high bill here. On the side note, this would be a very nice car to cut his teeth on in the DIYer category.

Having said that, I'm almost quite certain he's turned it over to hear the bad news and exhausting the 'alternatives' which include going after the previous owner [no go], or trying to make space in that garage for 'down the road when I get money' or, trying to understand the value of a parts car.
Yeah, part of 'cut your losses & run' could definitely be getting some payback out of this, either from the previous owner(far from easy, and if it turns into litigation potentially quite expensive at no success-guarantee), or from parts. Like the latter suggestion, though haven't done the math on anything like it.

But let's not lose track of ourselves. This is all yet mere conjecture. Do go and see a specialist ASAP. Who knows: you might have an angel watching over you...

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it is close to Christmas: when a bell dings and angel get their winds

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it is close to Christmas: when a bell dings and angel get their winds
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Hey to all!

New to the forum and first post. I bought an 87 mondial 3.2 cab knowing the timing jumped. I was told the car ran but poorly. Upon inspection the timing did jump about 30 degrees at the crank (60 on front exhaust cam?). Fortunately put new belts and bearings on and compression is good.

The problem is the car won't start. Plugs are fouled but was running with fouled plugs. I bought the car sight unseen so have not had it running personally. I believe the car had not been run in two months. Im not sure if there is vapor lock or vacuum issue to air? Any input would be great as Im hoping to have it running by the end of the weekend. Thanks and Cheers!
Were you able to get it sorted?
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