The London Rams!

champagne612 · 01-20-2012, 02:14 PM

Stan Kronke already owns another team in London.

Over the next three years the Rams will swap a home game field to a London field.

NFL wants to expand and they found the owner willing to screw over his fans.

If I didn't see the recent interview and felt a weird vibe I would have never believed it.

rollsorferrari? · 01-20-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by champagne612

Stan Kronke already owns another team in London.

Over the next three years the Rams will swap a home game field to a London field.

NFL wants to expand and they found the owner willing to screw over his fans.

If I didn't see the recent interview and felt a weird vibe I would have never believed it.

We all know the day is coming...LA was a given...but I'm thinking expansion into London is a REAL possibility - all the ex pats over there would become instant fans. Enjoy counting your extra 2-3 billion, Kroenke.

champagne612 · 01-20-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rollsorferrari?

We all know the day is coming...LA was a given...but I'm thinking expansion into London is a REAL possibility - all the ex pats over there would become instant fans. Enjoy counting your extra 2-3 billion, Kroenke.

St Louis fans boycott the Rams?

It's not going to go over well - losing 1 game is a pretty big hit to the economy that counts on those home games.

I am shocked that there is a act at will contract vs all home games be played or change of venue unless it was due to unforeseen circumstance.

Jeff Kennedy · 01-20-2012, 02:51 PM

You are surprised with contract terms between St. Louis and the Rams? You guys showed your as* to get Georgia to move the team here. She was all pissed off that Los Angeles did not love her, they were more interested in the Raiders back then. She was looking for someone that would give away the farm and say they loved her.

I dealt with her on an airplane back before the team moved out here. She was not a particularly pleasant person to try working with.

Jeff

rollsorferrari? · 01-20-2012, 02:58 PM

They are gone, they were gone the second the greatest show on turf days ended. Kroenke is making a ton of money on the Rams every year, even here in St. Louis, the NFL IS a license to print money (if I could choose 2 businesses to own, it would be an NFL team or a casino, definite money makers,

)

On one hand I don't blame Kroenke, he's got every right to chase the money. On the other hand, he owes it to the fan base (his customer base) to be upfront about things, and come out and be as transparent as possible in the decision making process as far as moving.

Interesting article from the Post on the differences between the Rams ownership and the soon-to-be Blues ownership: Gordon: Blues fans gain hope while Rams fans fret

GuyIncognito · 01-20-2012, 04:00 PM

so does everyone get a 1 game discount on their season tickets?

champagne612 · 01-20-2012, 04:25 PM

I don't blame Georgia Kronke or anyone else the right to spend their money as they wish or make as much money as they can while in the pursuit of happiness.

But this is a slap in the face - legal or not against every person who paid for the team to move to St Louis ... this will be a very ugly battle.

rollsorferrari? · 01-21-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by champagne612

I don't blame Georgia Kronke or anyone else the right to spend their money as they wish or make as much money as they can while in the pursuit of happiness.

But this is a slap in the face - legal or not against every person who paid for the team to move to St Louis ... this will be a very ugly battle.

I agree it's a slap in the face to STL, but unfortunately it seems like its KrAnkY's prerogative to do so. The sad part is, the odds of St Louis getting another team after both the Cardinals and the Rams have left is pretty small. But, there is a possibility Shahid Khan (who should own the Rams today, if not for the NFL being a good ole boys club) might move the Jaguars to town.

Jeff Kennedy · 01-21-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rollsorferrari?

I agree it's a slap in the face to STL, but unfortunately it seems like its KrAnkY's prerogative to do so. The sad part is, the odds of St Louis getting another team after both the Cardinals and the Rams have left is pretty small. But, there is a possibility Shahid Khan (who should own the Rams today, if not for the NFL being a good ole boys club) might move the Jaguars to town.

Don't count against the greed of owners to relocate for sweet deals. St. Louis willing bent over before so likely can be suckered again, if it comes to it.

Jeff

champagne612 · 01-21-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kennedy

Don't count against the greed of owners to relocate for sweet deals. St. Louis willing bent over before so likely can be suckered again, if it comes to it.

Jeff

Economically it paid off and there are still years left on the lease.

Not sure how Kronke can move the destination of a game without breaking the lease.

I am sure almost every town bent over in order to keep or entice a NFL franchise.

Missouri - unlike the other regions - achem ... are not in hock over their heads

Boxer · 01-21-2012, 10:29 AM

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- all the ex pats over there would become instant fans. .

Not a chance......Go Giants

rollsorferrari? · 01-21-2012, 11:04 AM

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Not a chance......Go Giants

Haha, maybe the Giants will be one of the teams they play,

What are Londoner's thoughts on him owning Arsenal just out of curiosity?

zxttfan · 01-21-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rollsorferrari?

I agree it's a slap in the face to STL, but unfortunately it seems like its KrAnkY's prerogative to do so. The sad part is, the odds of St Louis getting another team after both the Cardinals and the Rams have left is pretty small. But, there is a possibility Shahid Khan (who should own the Rams today, if not for the NFL being a good ole boys club) might move the Jaguars to town.

If Khan brings the Jags to town he'd better change the name...there aren't any Jaguars here in the Lou..hell, we don't even have a dealer anymore! Maybe the Prancing Horses..ah sh*t, that won't work either.

GuyIncognito · 01-21-2012, 02:28 PM

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If Khan brings the Jags to town he'd better change the name...there aren't any Jaguars here in the Lou..hell, we don't even have a dealer anymore! Maybe the Prancing Horses..ah sh*t, that won't work either.

I doubt Khan will bring the Jags (or any other team) to STL.

STL just isn't enough of a football town to justify an NFL team, in my opinion.

Boxer · 01-22-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rollsorferrari?

Haha, maybe the Giants will be one of the teams they play,

What are Londoner's thoughts on him owning Arsenal just out of curiosity?

They could care less. Most of the big clubs are owned by non-Brits.

Same family owns the Bucs and Man United.

champagne612 · 01-22-2012, 05:20 AM

It's all about the money - which brings up another issue.

Owners / Players / Coaches are taxed where they work / play meaning where they earned that income - not sure how it works but to avoid out of state taxes etc you have to prove 51% of your income was derived in that state.

Is it possible every person who derives an income from the field is going to receive a nice little tax package to go along with their plane ticket

Last major issue - which probably has the largest effect - players like playing at home - wonder how the players feel about Kronke's decision because winning is no longer the priority ... losing the home field advantage speaks volumes about Kronke.

Think this is one big cluster Fk.

rollsorferrari? · 01-22-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by champagne612

It's all about the money - which brings up another issue.

Owners / Players / Coaches are taxed where they work / play meaning where they earned that income - not sure how it works but to avoid out of state taxes etc you have to prove 51% of your income was derived in that state.

Is it possible every person who derives an income from the field is going to receive a nice little tax package to go along with their plane ticket

Last major issue - which probably has the largest effect - players like playing at home - wonder how the players feel about Kronke's decision because winning is no longer the priority ... losing the home field advantage speaks volumes about Kronke.

Think this is one big cluster Fk.

That's an interesting take on this whole thing, I wonder if they will have to pay the 1% city income tax for their 7 "home" games the next 3 years...

I'm sure KrAnkY negotiated a nice little package for himself as far as revenue sharing goes for those 3 games, I wider what behind closed doors the players are thinking about this whole issue...

robsports1 · 01-22-2012, 10:18 AM

The tax issue you brought up reminds me of this article from a year or so ago:
Usain Bolt will not compete in Britain again this summer because of the huge tax-bill he would be hit with | The Sun |Sport|Olympics
Obviously it's a little different from the NFL, as I have no idea what their agreement is or would be if a team were to end up in London.

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champagne612 Owner Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St Louis Ferrari Life Posts: 4,631 Name: Doug	The London Rams! Stan Kronke already owns another team in London. Over the next three years the Rams will swap a home game field to a London field. NFL wants to expand and they found the owner willing to screw over his fans. If I didn't see the recent interview and felt a weird vibe I would have never believed it.

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Jeff Kennedy Owner Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Edwardsville, IL Ferrari Life Posts: 380 Name: Jeff Kennedy	You are surprised with contract terms between St. Louis and the Rams? You guys showed your as* to get Georgia to move the team here. She was all pissed off that Los Angeles did not love her, they were more interested in the Raiders back then. She was looking for someone that would give away the farm and say they loved her. I dealt with her on an airplane back before the team moved out here. She was not a particularly pleasant person to try working with. Jeff

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rollsorferrari? Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: St. Louis Ferrari Life Posts: 469 Name: Scott	They are gone, they were gone the second the greatest show on turf days ended. Kroenke is making a ton of money on the Rams every year, even here in St. Louis, the NFL IS a license to print money (if I could choose 2 businesses to own, it would be an NFL team or a casino, definite money makers, ) On one hand I don't blame Kroenke, he's got every right to chase the money. On the other hand, he owes it to the fan base (his customer base) to be upfront about things, and come out and be as transparent as possible in the decision making process as far as moving. Interesting article from the Post on the differences between the Rams ownership and the soon-to-be Blues ownership: Gordon: Blues fans gain hope while Rams fans fret

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GuyIncognito Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: SMO Ferrari Life Posts: 1,113 Name: Chas	so does everyone get a 1 game discount on their season tickets?

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champagne612 Owner Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St Louis Ferrari Life Posts: 4,631 Name: Doug	I don't blame Georgia Kronke or anyone else the right to spend their money as they wish or make as much money as they can while in the pursuit of happiness. But this is a slap in the face - legal or not against every person who paid for the team to move to St Louis ... this will be a very ugly battle.

01-22-2012, 05:20 AM	#16
champagne612 Owner Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St Louis Ferrari Life Posts: 4,631 Name: Doug	It's all about the money - which brings up another issue. Owners / Players / Coaches are taxed where they work / play meaning where they earned that income - not sure how it works but to avoid out of state taxes etc you have to prove 51% of your income was derived in that state. Is it possible every person who derives an income from the field is going to receive a nice little tax package to go along with their plane ticket Last major issue - which probably has the largest effect - players like playing at home - wonder how the players feel about Kronke's decision because winning is no longer the priority ... losing the home field advantage speaks volumes about Kronke. Think this is one big cluster Fk.

01-22-2012, 10:18 AM	#18
robsports1 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Clayton Ferrari Life Posts: 63	The tax issue you brought up reminds me of this article from a year or so ago: Usain Bolt will not compete in Britain again this summer because of the huge tax-bill he would be hit with \| The Sun \|Sport\|Olympics Obviously it's a little different from the NFL, as I have no idea what their agreement is or would be if a team were to end up in London.