[bikz]

just came across this thread.....the 288 is prob my fav ferrari supercar besides the F40.....all the best and hope you come across one asap.....

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Originally Posted by bikz

just came across this thread.....the 288 is prob my fav ferrari supercar besides the F40.....all the best and hope you come across one asap.....

Thank you for your thoughts, bikz.


w/ smiles
Jimmy

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Just a sidenote, ...as I have been sniffing thru various venues, I cannot help but get discouraged, perpleed and wonder as to how car values differ and swing so strangely. For example, there is an example of F50 both here in Japan and the UK that are available for more than 20% LESS than a 288 !!! Simply crazy. Maybe I am crazy also to be looking for one of such cars at a time like this. Gentle abusive comments are welcome.

w/ smiles
Jimmy

[nmj]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS

Just a sidenote, ...as I have been sniffing thru various venues, I cannot help but get discouraged, perpleed and wonder as to how car values differ and swing so strangely. For example, there is an example of F50 both here in Japan and the UK that are available for more than 20% LESS than a 288 !!! Simply crazy. Maybe I am crazy also to be looking for one of such cars at a time like this. Gentle abusive comments are welcome.

w/ smiles
Jimmy

hi Jimmy

as much as the F50 is ranked amongst the top of my all time favourite and best cars i do believe that the values of 288 GTO should be that much higher than the F50 and will continue to stay that way, lets not forget just how special the 288 really is (and was)

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Originally Posted by nmj

hi Jimmy

as much as the F50 is ranked amongst the top of my all time favourite and best cars i do believe that the values of 288 GTO should be that much higher than the F50 and will continue to stay that way, lets not forget just how special the 288 really is (and was)

Nigel, did you notice a glimpse or a fleeting moment of desparation underneath my words, or was it so obvious ? As aformentioned in my earlier rant, I am at this stage of tossing this whole search and concomitantly considering a Fiat Dino 2400 Spyder (!!!), believe it or not, which costs "only! well under 100k ??? I know, I know, ... they are totally different cars, but that just shows you how discouraged I am at this point. Saying that,...I think I am reaching the terminal stage of serious considerations. I think I have become irrational !!!

w/ smiles
Jimmy

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by nmj

hi Jimmy

as much as the F50 is ranked amongst the top of my all time favourite and best cars i do believe that the values of 288 GTO should be that much higher than the F50 and will continue to stay that way, lets not forget just how special the 288 really is (and was)

Long term I would have to disagree. F50 has a few very unique real 1sts that the 288 GTO does not and build numbers are not that different. F50 is the first Ferrari CF tub road car, engine is a direct evolution from one used in F1, plus the outstanding push rod suspension set up.

[nmj]

Originally Posted by Boxer

Long term I would have to disagree. F50 has a few very unique real 1sts that the 288 GTO does not and build numbers are not that different. F50 is the first Ferrari CF tub road car, engine is a direct evolution from one used in F1, plus the outstanding push rod suspension set up.

f50 values will never pass 288 values Scott !!

[tazandjan]

Nigel- F50 values pretty much have always been higher than the 288 GTO, at least here in the States. Like Boxer said, the five valve V12 and CF tub put it in another class. The GTO was still a traditional steel tube chassis. Production of 272 vs 349 is not that big a distinction, either. There is also not much comparision in performance, with the F50 nearly two seconds faster in the quarter mile.

[212Export]

Originally Posted by nmj

f50 values will never pass 288 values Scott !!

Nigel, I love your statement (assuming you are serious about it?!). In my business we do normally this: we wait until somebody is betting that something will NEVER happen and then......we go against it. Its kind of the big marble game. You win once out of ten (not the game normally people would like to play) but then get sometimes a fifty bagger That would create a mathematical expectancy of 5:1. Any teacher would slap his pupil in the face...being right once out of ten, thats called "lowest grader", right ?

No, seriously now, it could be quite possible that 288 GTO prices will not fall below F50 prices in the future but as Terry stated it, the past has been mostly opposite. That fact alone makes it difficult not to reflect and create "absolut" statements.
In my worst case night mare dreams I wake up and realize that the big governements in the world have decided that non - cat cars are forbidden because of environmental sensibility. What influence could that have on classic car prices ? Could that be possible ? Never ? Hmmmm.

[dm18]

Originally Posted by nmj

f50 values will never pass 288 values Scott !!

wayne gretzky says he succeeded because he went to where the puck was going not to where it was. seems to me that 288gto has much more long-term appeal than f50. relative prices now not that important and historical price differentials even less important

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Enjoying different viewpoints so far from the onwers and experts. One thing for sure is that I am neither one of those factions, at the moment. Please share your thoughts with the rest of us.

w/ smiles
Jimmy

[tazandjan]

Jimmy- Statistically, all the exotics, antiques, and pre-cat sports cars do not affect the environment. Especially when compared to the many ill-maintained cars in the 8-15 years of age range.

DM- Afraid I do not see the same future when comparing a five valve engine derived from the 333 SP with a a turbo-charged V8 used in a Lancia. But then, that is why we do not all drive refrigerator white Toyotas and other appliances with wheels.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by nmj

f50 values will never pass 288 values Scott !!

No one ever thought that a tired 250 Cal Spider with a miss matched engine would be worth $12 mil either.

[nmj]

Originally Posted by Boxer

No one ever thought that a tired 250 Cal Spider with a miss matched engine would be worth $12 mil either.

I certainly do not disagree with a lot of the replies on this thread , as you well know my own personal thoughts are that the f50 is my favourite of the 4 limited edition cars produced so far and has been for many years , for a long time when f40 values were on the up , both 288 and f50 were "sleepers" as both Boxer and i discussed for a long time.
My thoughts are that the f50 is indeed a "better" car than the 288 for several reasons however I personally cannot see 50 values overtaking the 288 but as we all know time will tell

[nmj]

And with any car that we purchase it comes down to personal choice and what that car means to the individual , from an investment point of view going forward from today if someone were to ask me my thoughts on which would increase in value pro rata more (288 or 50) i would answer "God knows" !!

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by nmj

And with any car that we purchase it comes down to personal choice and what that car means to the individual , from an investment point of view going forward from today if someone were to ask me my thoughts on which would increase in value pro rata more (288 or 50) i would answer "God knows" !!

At some point I think both will overtake the Enzo. Look at the price gap 5 years ago and then today.

Question is when.

[Barry]

Originally Posted by Boxer

At some point I think both will overtake the Enzo. Look at the price gap 5 years ago and then today.

Question is when.

Do you think both will over take the Enzo through appreciation in their respective values or through depreciation in Enzo values?

[nmj]

Originally Posted by Boxer

At some point I think both will overtake the Enzo. Look at the price gap 5 years ago and then today.

Question is when.

interesting point , however not so sure as when replacement Enzo comes out with its big price tag i feel this will then enhance Enzo prices , although with current turmoil in Europe admittedly this is helping to keep Enzo prices down ,

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by nmj

interesting point , however not so sure as when replacement Enzo comes out with its big price tag i feel this will then enhance Enzo prices , although with current turmoil in Europe admittedly this is helping to keep Enzo prices down ,

It will be interesting to see what happens. Although it is a very different market now, I dont remember the Enzo launch boosting F50 prices.

[212Export]

Originally Posted by nmj

interesting point , however not so sure as when replacement Enzo comes out with its big price tag i feel this will then enhance Enzo prices , although with current turmoil in Europe admittedly this is helping to keep Enzo prices down ,

Enzo replacement should be launched December '12/January '13 and should cost Euro 1.1 Mio. !