[fxx 1]

Hi, I was wondering if the Lusso was a Better Buy right now than a 275 GTB Short Nose?? Also, are there any LUSSO COMP Cars available for Sale rigth now??
Thanks!!

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Originally Posted by fxx 1

Hi, I was wondering if the Lusso was a Better Buy right now than a 275 GTB Short Nose?? Also, are there any LUSSO COMP Cars available for Sale rigth now??
Thanks!!

If a BUY pricewise makes more sense this or that way around is up to the different preferences of a individual buyer and may probably not be answered by an outsider.

From my own experiences of driving both and owning one of them (275 short nose) the 275 GTB short nose (3 carb, my experience is) prooves much more flexibel, extrem agil (for a 60ties car), has the (important) advantage of 5 gears (Lusso 4 only) and feels lighter.
The looks of both is stunning and I'd like to own both of them

Generally prices on both types seems to be totally out of sync at this time but waiting for lower prices may prove to be a good exercise for patience ?!

[212Export]

Regarding the question on a Comp Lusso:

No, I have not found any "real" Comp. Lusso's on the market or offered at auctions lately. The one who sold at RM's auction this May in my 20 cents opinion was in no way a "real" Lusso as most of the Comp specs has been added in the 80's (the owner who offered it at RM's auction was a Swiss citizen).

[fxx 1]

How much are the 275 Short Nose going for these Days?? And can they be Raced in the Historics??
Thanks again "212"

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Originally Posted by 212Export

If a BUY pricewise makes more sense this or that way around is up to the different preferences of a individual buyer and may probably not be answered by an outsider.

From my own experiences of driving both and owning one of them (275 short nose) the 275 GTB short nose (3 carb, my experience is) prooves much more flexibel, extrem agil (for a 60ties car), has the (important) advantage of 5 gears (Lusso 4 only) and feels lighter.
The looks of both is stunning and I'd like to own both of them

Generally prices on both types seems to be totally out of sync at this time but waiting for lower prices may prove to be a good exercise for patience ?!

I agree fully. I believe Lusso was meant to be as the luxury model, thus Comp is or was not part of the plan. Jimmy

[fxx 1]

Thanks for the Help!! Can you Race the 275 Short Nose in the Historics?? Do you know Approximately how much those cars are to Buy $$?? US Dollars??
Thankyou!!

[212Export]

Originally Posted by fxx 1

Thanks for the Help!! Can you Race the 275 Short Nose in the Historics?? Do you know Approximately how much those cars are to Buy $$?? US Dollars??
Thankyou!!

Yes, I believe that the 275 GTB can be raced in the historics. Depending on which historic racing organisation, you may be forced to certify your historic Ferrari by Ferrari Classiche before being able to attend the official Ferrari historic challenge competition. (Another way of Ferrari to make the owners of classic dependent on them in many ways)

A "no stories", Ferrari certified 275 GTB short nose, matching numbers etc. will ask app. 900'-1 Mio. USD today. A Lusso probably $ 550 - 700' depending as before on the state of restoration or originality. IMO all to much (MO is worth nothing )

[JazzyO]

The Lusso at the RM auction in May went for close to 750,000 euro (1.2 million dollars at the time). It was however, in truly exceptional condition, although restored, not original. I know the restorer very well (he's my service specialist) and had dinner with the seller in Maranello and some fellow enthousiasts two days before the sale. Gorgeous car, truly a dream of mine. The seller is not a rich man, but he took 4 years to restore the car to perfection and got nicely rewarded for it. Good work!

That competition Lusso sure was pretty - too bad it's not originally a competition version.


Onno

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Originally Posted by JazzyO

The Lusso at the RM auction in May went for close to 750,000 euro (1.2 million dollars at the time). It was however, in truly exceptional condition, although restored, not original. I know the restorer very well (he's my service specialist) and had dinner with the seller in Maranello and some fellow enthousiasts two days before the sale. Gorgeous car, truly a dream of mine. The seller is not a rich man, but he took 4 years to restore the car to perfection and got nicely rewarded for it. Good work!

That competition Lusso sure was pretty - too bad it's not originally a competition version.


Onno

It is interesting that the Lusso was bidded up so high. No question, the restoration has been exceptional, but after all the car was restored in a way THIS car never looked before like
As always we are getting to a decision junction. As Boxer put up his Daytona Competition spec. pictures or as Mike Sheehan is selling a good looking Competition spec Daytona. The prices of both Daytonas offered are more in sync with the fact that they NEVER have been original comp spec's. In opposition to this, the Lusso's price paid was in a level of a REAL comp. spec. Lusso, which, as said, it never was.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS

I agree fully. I believe Lusso was meant to be as the luxury model, thus Comp is or was not part of the plan. Jimmy

There were some Lusso's who have been raced by privateer's in their times in the 60's and "adapted" their Lusso's accordingly for their specific needs. IMO there was only one Lusso, who was delivered from the factory originally with a 6 carb setup (a necessary presetup if somebody seriously plans to get max. horsepower) This car was chassis 4385 and has/had a front similar to the 250 GTO. (If I'm correct)

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Originally Posted by JazzyO

The Lusso at the RM auction in May went for close to 750,000 euro (1.2 million dollars at the time). It was however, in truly exceptional condition, although restored, not original. I know the restorer very well (he's my service specialist) and had dinner with the seller in Maranello and some fellow enthousiasts two days before the sale. Gorgeous car, truly a dream of mine. The seller is not a rich man, but he took 4 years to restore the car to perfection and got nicely rewarded for it. Good work!

That competition Lusso sure was pretty - too bad it's not originally a competition version.


Onno

If I'm correct on the identity of the seller, this man has restored not only a (1) Lusso, but many Ferrari's during the last 4 of years (i.e. a absolutelly fantastic 250 TdF). And you are correct, he is a very, very nice and friendly man. On the other point I'm not sure that you are correct ?!

[212Export]

Dear JazzyO:

SORRY, there seems to be a missunderstanding. My RM auction Lusso Comp. spec. argumentation has been based on the LOT No. 315 Chassis No. 4213 GT, the car that went for the unbelievable sum of 1.1 Mio. Euro's.

I assume you meant the beautifully restored Lusso Chassis No. 5143 GT, Lot No. 319, which sold for Euro 759'000 ?! Yes that car is absolutely stunning, I assume the restoration itself is worth 60% of the price paid.

[JazzyO]

Originally Posted by 212Export

Dear JazzyO:

SORRY, there seems to be a missunderstanding. My RM auction Lusso Comp. spec. argumentation has been based on the LOT No. 315 Chassis No. 4213 GT, the car that went for the unbelievable sum of 1.1 Mio. Euro's.

I assume you meant the beautifully restored Lusso Chassis No. 5143 GT, Lot No. 319, which sold for Euro 759'000 ?! Yes that car is absolutely stunning, I assume the restoration itself is worth 60% of the price paid.

212, I was talking about both. First I meant 5143GT to comment on your price bracket for Lussos, and then I made a comment on 4213GT.

Sorry for any confusion.


Onno

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Originally Posted by JazzyO

212, I was talking about both. First I meant 5143GT to comment on your price bracket for Lussos, and then I made a comment on 4213GT.

Sorry for any confusion.


Onno

No problem. The confusion was really on MY side. Sorry again

[Lambo65]

A friend of mine recently purchased a 1964 Lusso for $475K from a guy in Ohio who got a deal for $150K.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by Lambo65

A friend of mine recently purchased a 1964 Lusso for $475K from a guy in Ohio who got a deal for $150K.

That is a very good deal, especially given the reserve on this one:

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/publi...&iSaleNo=16671

Lot 218
1964 Ferrari 250GT Lusso Berlinetta Chassis no. 5783 Engine no. 5783
Estimate: CHF750,000 - 800,000

There is one for sale privately in Portugal for Euro 300k.