[Boxer]

I would appreciate expert opinions on the Daytona in the attached link:

http://www.dealer.ferrari.com/detail...978537&lang=en

Please let me know everything that is wrong with this car. Thanks.

(click on the small pictures on the bottom to bring them into the main frame)

[jtremlett]

We've discussed this car before. Dodgy wheels. Dodgy advertising implying it has done almost no miles when they just mean miles since rebuild. Berlinetta cut to spider then rebodied back to berlinetta again. Lots of less dubious cars on the market. See www.anamera.com.

Not sure now is the best time to buy though.

Jonathan

[alsaautomotive]

Shocking panel gaps, looks very poorly re-fitted (incorrect screws/fixings, fittings painted over & general poor fit of, well, almost everything!) & very over-tarted engine bay.
Hope this helps??
Cheers, Al.

[212Export]

Ohhhhhh.....Boxer is stalking again....!

Is this the right car.....?

[212Export]

I'm not too sure if this car should be overloaded with such an amount of pre-scepticism ?

Some things (as mentioned by others already) seem not to be too proper, I especially do not like the front, where the Plexi of the front is in a compleat different angle than the front part of the side blinker glass, and the ventilators on the dash seems to be "Toyota" like. Apart from that how do the numbers fit? As mentioned by others, the whole body seems to show quite some differences on the front hood in fitting to the rest.
The stamping on the gear box seems to be correct.
The "artificial" leather of the steering wheel just seems to hide the original, beautiful wooden rim (which may be easy to uncover). Besides the color of the leather (which really looks artificial) the inside panel, knobs etc. seem to be correct.

How about pictures from the Identification plates and lubrication plates, eventually U.S. safety compliance plate ?

[alsaautomotive]

I think a lot of that is fair comment 212, but what would worry me is that if there is such a lack of attention to detail in terms of the gaps/fitment/fixings which are all highly visible (& fairly basic things to get right by any competent restorer), then it doesn't really inspire much confidence in the quality of the more involved work carried out on the body of the car.
This is just my opinion for what it's worth mind:thumbup:
Cheers, Al.

[212Export]

Originally Posted by alsaautomotive

I think a lot of that is fair comment 212, but what would worry me is that if there is such a lack of attention to detail in terms of the gaps/fitment/fixings which are all highly visible (& fairly basic things to get right by any competent restorer), then it doesn't really inspire much confidence in the quality of the more involved work carried out on the body of the car.
This is just my opinion for what it's worth mind:thumbup:
Cheers, Al.

You got a inportant point on your side, clearly. On the other hand, if everything would be correct, the car would be in balance (equilibrium) to the market and its price and probably would not even manage to lift an eye brow on Boxer's face. , as we all (probably almost all) believe that 320'000Euro for an average daytona in these times is probably not a favorable price/rarity relation (think about buying a F40 and for a little more a F50 for that amount)

[agp22]

Boxer, why don't you try this one:
http://autoscout24.fr/List.aspx?vis=...t=price&zipc=F

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

From the details such as air cover type, dual reverse lights, etc. this probably is a early, Euro model. Here are the things that bothered me, if you're after authenticity: no front spoiler as seen here, no gold painted wheels, steering wheel appear non-authentic, center console lacking trims, right triangle window latch missing, front bonnet insulator seems non-authentic, no screws around gas cap lid, tail lights lens appear to be aftermarket, etc. What is the asking price ? If this car was modified to spider and back to coupe again, it might be better to search other offers. w/ smiles Jimmy

[Boxer]

Gentlemen, Much apprecaiate all the comments on this 'just a bit less than concours Daytona'. It clearly needs a lot of help on the body. It was a cut coupe (spider) which has since been returned to a Berlinetta body. Mechanically it apparently is quite solid. As a club racer it might be viable (assuming a condition correct price).

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

If you're looking for a club racer, seems like M. Sheehan's 365 GTB4 C conversion would be a better selection, assuming the asking price is right. w/ smiles Jimmy

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS

If you're looking for a club racer, seems like M. Sheehan's 365 GTB4 C conversion would be a better selection, assuming the asking price is right. w/ smiles Jimmy

I took a quick look at Mike Sheehan's Daytona conversion. Price would be at more than twice the other, not counting the cost of getting it from the US to Europe (+ duties, VAT, etc).

[alsaautomotive]

Might be worth giving Mark Shannon a ring?
He seems very up on what's coming to market here & whom might be persuaded to sell:thumbup:

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Originally Posted by Boxer

I took a quick look at Mike Sheehan's Daytona conversion. Price would be at more than twice the other, not counting the cost of getting it from the US to Europe (+ duties, VAT, etc).

If you compare the price of this Daytona vs Sheehan's Daytona C conversion (even tho its double), you might be better off considering the quality and workmanship of the latter, assuming your purpose is for racing and club use. Just my .02 sterling or yen. w/ smiles Jimmy

[Boxer]

I will get more information on this rather colorful option and let you know what the bottom line on it is.

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

That's good, Boxer. Not that I'm trying to "push" this car,...it's just that I cannot imagine the awesome power/ weight ratio competition specs along w/ the carb'd exhaust symphony (probably more like acid rock ?) from both sides right behind the doors. w/ smiles Jimmy

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS

That's good, Boxer. Not that I'm trying to "push" this car,...it's just that I cannot imagine the awesome power/ weight ratio competition specs along w/ the carb'd exhaust symphony (probably more like acid rock ?) from both sides right behind the doors. w/ smiles Jimmy

Cars International in London also has one for sale:

http://www.carsinternational.com/

http://www.racecar.com/carsinternati...daytonagr4.htm

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Originally Posted by Boxer

Cars International in London also has one for sale:

http://www.carsinternational.com/

http://www.racecar.com/carsinternati...daytonagr4.htm

Very impressive stock of exquisite race cars, Boxer. That Daytona C looks just as serious as M. Sheehan's. If you're interested in such racers, another suggestion is a 1969 Daytona C at Mario Bernardi (Germany), although I'm a bit apprehensive to request the quote. http://www.mariobernardi.de/mario-be...ardi/index.htm Nevertheless, this model looks more "modest" and unmolested as the other two. Mario's got a very impressive stock with no surprises. Just a suggestion, if you're interested in such racers. w/ smiles Jimmy