[JazzyO]

Hi all,

I've spotted a really nice 330 GT 2+2 for sale. it's a single head-light model (series II, I really don't like the look of the series I) and it's a well known car that has been in Holland since 1986. I've already found the car in the 330Registry. It's been resprayed two years ago but the interior has nice patina.

I would welcome any input on what these cars are like to drive, what they are like to own, and what you think they're worth in today's market. I'm of the opinion that a good car should be worth about EUR90-100K, with a pristine one maybe a little more.

Here's a similar one for sale in the Czech Republic:
http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car...cache=1&ret=63

My thoughts on the 330GT 2+2 is that it's not quite as well shaped as the 330GTC but it's still a very pretty car with the same engine and two extra seats. And it costs almost half the price.

Any input appreciated!


Onno

[stile - alpine]

Looks absolutely stunning, Onno. Can't say anything other than that

[archiegibbs]

Onno,
It looks absolutely stunning, and judging by the photo's it has been completely rebuilt. A future classic.

Take a look at this too:
http://www.rardleymotors.com/cars/013261/013261.htm

[JazzyO]

Guys, the link I provided is not to the car I've got my eye on, it is for a similar car. The one I'm looking at is dark blue metallic, it will go great with my 550. It outwardly looks just as good but the interior looks nicely patina-ed. Patinated? Eh, "with patina" maybe...

Archie - I like the Queen Mary, as the 365 GT 2+2 is sometimes called, a lot less than the 330. It is too barge like, too vast. The 330 still looks like a nice sporty grand tourer to me. No offense to anyone who owns a 365 GT2+2, of course, that's still a lovely car.

Thanks for the heads-up, though. Keep 'm coming!


Onno

[JazzyO]

Had a long talk with the owner today. What a lovely petrol-head chat! He found out I knew quite a bit about the car and Ferrari's in general and it just started to click.

I'm getting a very good vibe with this car and owner. He doesn't want to sell to anyone who isn't a true enthousiast and I'm happy to say he told me he got a good impression of me. I'll be viewing and hopefully driving the car this Friday.

I'm very excited - my first Colombo experience it will be! (If you don't know what that means - look it up!).


Onno

[archiegibbs]

Onno, sounds like you've found a good one, let's hope that the test drive goes well.
As for Colombo, just watch out, in the TV series he always made friends with the prime suspect and arrested them for a brutal triple homicide with an ice pick at the end of the show. If this guy is too friendly, RUN !!!!!!

By all accounts the Colombo served Ferrari well for the best part of 20 years, until a certain person fell out with Mr Enzo and moved on.

[stile - alpine]

Onno, that's very good news!

Perhaps the 330 GT 2+2 will take over the place that the Boxer currently uses in your heart?

Post news after the test drive (and pictures, if you can). Have a good drive!

[JazzyO]

Originally Posted by stile - alpine

Perhaps the 330 GT 2+2 will take over the place that the Boxer currently uses in your heart?

Well, that will be the big question. I'll be test driving and looking at 5 Boxers as well, on Monday and Tuesday. Busy days ahead!

This will be one hell of a week!


Onno

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by JazzyO

My thoughts on the 330GT 2+2 is that it's not quite as well shaped as the 330GTC but it's still a very pretty car with the same engine and two extra seats. And it costs almost half the price.
Onno

Onno, I believe that the 330 GT 2+2 and the 330 GTC drive very differently. While it is definitely much less expensive, is it a car you are going to love? In the end, saving the $$$ does not really matter that much if you end up with a Ferrari you "like" vs. one you really enjoy.

[JazzyO]

Originally Posted by Boxer

Onno, I believe that the 330 GT 2+2 and the 330 GTC drive very differently. While it is definitely much less expensive, is it a car you are going to love? In the end, saving the $$$ does not really matter that much if you end up with a Ferrari you "like" vs. one you really enjoy.

Yes, Boxer, that's a good point and one that I may not have given the severity it does (or doesn't?) deserve. This is why I need to drive these cars. At this point in time I'm not sure yet what I want. The 330 GTC is out of reach and may stay that way for quite a long time. Even if this is not the case, there is also no harm in changing at a certain point. This GT should hold it's value very well. So I could consider a 330GTC in 3 or 4 year's time if the funds would be there.

In the meantime, you must have a good time and choose something sensible that is fun as well. I like the timeless appeal of the GT, and I assume the Boxer is a lot more sporty to drive.

At the moment I'm thinking that a 330GT, a 308 Vetro (which I would then look for next year), and a 550 would make for nice mix between classic, sporty and modern quick GT.

But a 550 and a Boxer would also be a great combination, perhaps even with a F430 in a couple of years time. A 550, 330GTC and 308 would also be nice!

Well, I don't know. All I know is I'm going to drive some of these cars within 7 days and then we'll know more. Fact is, I more than like all of them from a theoretical standpoint and all have their merits.


Onno

[212Export]

Some years ago I had a chance to drive a 330 GT 2+2 Series 1 (the chinese lady) while at the same time owning and driving my 330 GTC. I like the elegant look of the 330 2+2 (both series) but handling wise I think you should not compare them. The GTC is much more agil, light and speedy. (I assume that is what you really want) If money is not ready yet for it..what's the problem with waiting for the right car or the right situation to occur ?

[JazzyO]

Originally Posted by 212Export

If money is not ready yet for it..what's the problem with waiting for the right car or the right situation to occur ?

I might get married and therefore never own a '60ies V12! Strike while the iron is hot, I say!

No decisions have been made, and waiting for a 330GTC might be a good idea. I must say I'm liking the current situation I'm. Like a kid in a candy store!


Onno

[Jimmy Chen Shiba DDS]

Onno, once you get to test drive and compare the characters, you should be able to get a step closer to your choice. Needless to say, there are many variables you must consider here. One suggestion was wait, but prices have been heading north for sure. I suppose the final, determining variable is your own taste/ purpose for owning the "new" addition. They're all wonderful choices w/ pros & cons. Decisions, decisions,...enjoy the process and the climax. Happy searching, Onno. w/ smiles Jimmy

[michaelbayer]

The 330 Buyers Guide available here on this site is really worth reading as background for your consideration

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by michaelbayer

The 330 Buyers Guide available here on this site is really worth reading as background for your consideration

Do you have both a 330 and a 365 GTC/4?

[michaelbayer]

Yes, and a Dino Spider all wonderful but very different cars, have been looking for the right 365 BB to add to the garage, M

[michaelbayer]

212Export: One caution, with single example driving experiences in 40+ year old cars, few are anywhere near at zero differed maintainence, often times modern assumptions about a model are based on a single experience with a deteriorated example, and 2+2 are legends for differed maintence and decades of neglect with most of the neglect in suspension and tune (as the motors are darn near indistructable).

I participated in a side by side comparison of my 365 GTC4 with a good friend's 365 GTB4 the writer who did the piece said he far prefered the C4 to the B4 under 90, after that the B4 (as I did). Suprisingly 0-60 they were nearly identical and 60-0 the C4 had considerably better brakes. Key was both cars were set up perfectly, fully tuned on great engines. While the 330 GTC is lighter and better sprung in the rear, in fact when the cars were new their performance was not that dissimilar. They are both terrific cars that feel significantly different so I would pick it based on which feels right to you, but insuring what I drove was mechanically tight and correct.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by michaelbayer

Yes, and a Dino Spider all wonderful but very different cars, have been looking for the right 365 BB to add to the garage, M

There are a few 365BBs around in Europe now which are for sale. This one appears to have just had a lot of investment:

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find...lCarID=1780081

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by michaelbayer

212Export: One caution, with single example driving experiences in 40+ year old cars, few are anywhere near at zero differed maintainence, often times modern assumptions about a model are based on a single experience with a deteriorated example, and 2+2 are legends for differed maintence and decades of neglect with most of the neglect in suspension and tune (as the motors are darn near indistructable).

I participated in a side by side comparison of my 365 GTC4 with a good friend's 365 GTB4 the writer who did the piece said he far prefered the C4 to the B4 under 90, after that the B4 (as I did). Suprisingly 0-60 they were nearly identical and 60-0 the C4 had considerably better brakes. Key was both cars were set up perfectly, fully tuned on great engines. While the 330 GTC is lighter and better sprung in the rear, in fact when the cars were new their performance was not that dissimilar. They are both terrific cars that feel significantly different so I would pick it based on which feels right to you, but insuring what I drove was mechanically tight and correct.

Did you drive the 330 GTC and 365 GTB/4 back to back? Impressions ?

[michaelbayer]

No just the B4 and C4, I have tried to find a GTC to do just that, but to no avail, any volunteers? M
would like to set one of those up

Originally Posted by Boxer

Did you drive the 330 GTC and 365 GTB/4 back to back? Impressions ?