[markjayw]

Originally Posted by Russell996

I'm no expert on these graphs, the actual figures aren't my reason for changing, as I have mentioned I originally fitted a Tubi inconel which I thought was one of the best mufflers available (certainly most expensive) but there was no way I could use it on a daily basis due to the drone and extreme volume and on seeing the mounting system it was far inferior to the Capristo.

Looking at the graphs Stef has posted and taking them at face value, the increase in torque is far higher than you have indicted, at 4600 rpm, the Capristo Complete system gives 495 NM compared to 436 NM stock. This is an increase of 59 NM or using the conversion chart 44 lb/ft. Likewise at the same point in the rev range the HP increase is 41 with the Capristo giving 328 compared to 287. This equates to 13-14% gains in torque and HP in the normal rev range of the engine for daily driving. Capristo use NM because they are German, for no other reason!

For sure you can go more extreme in the solutions and if you are doing a bang per buck equation then again maybe therer are other solutions, it all depends on the purchase criteria.

Cars are measured in torque at max value. Stock car has 350 at 4000 rpm. Capristo's graph is way off on a stock car, plus their car was also down on power.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by markjayw

Ok, 10 less Ferrari forum posts in a day equals video!

LOL

Well, if you stopped making posts I have to think about and then reply to, videos would be done by now - so it's your fault.

[champagne612]

[QUOTE=StefVan;198051]Doug, you can see all prices on [url=http://www.capristoexhaust.com.

Thanks Stef

Assuming Russell installed the entire Capristo set up and would also assume anyone can wrap a set of headers to reduce heat.

Am I missing something?

My question - does anyone only install part of the system and feel they got the majority of the benefit?

Or is it a all or nothing system and down the road even if you do piece it out at the beginning - it becomes something I will regret and wind up doing it anyway.

Not a fan of doing things twice - I am sorta shocked at 15k assumed it would run closer to 10k but at the end of the day ... I should know better.

On a side note - one of the best threads in a long time

[StefVan]

Doug, there are several upgrade combinations possible

You can actually wrap only your current stock headers with the Capristo heat shields, as well as your stock cats to reduce the engine bay heat. You can only consider upgrading one part of the exhaust like only the headers (which I did) or only the muffler. If you want to make a progressive upgrade, I would upgrade the cats only at the end. The stock cats are excellent catalyser with very good coating. I will consider replacing mine only if they are worn out or lost their efficiency. Just keep in mind that the Capristo brackets are different for the stock muffler and their muffler. Also, if you upgrade the exhaust headers, you will have also to install their brackets if you want to benefit from their 3yr warranty.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by StefVan

Doug, there are several upgrade combinations possible

You can actually wrap only your current stock headers with the Capristo heat shields, as well as your stock cats to reduce the engine bay heat. You can only consider upgrading one part of the exhaust like only the headers (which I did) or only the muffler. If you want to make a progressive upgrade, I would upgrade the cats only at the end. The stock cats are excellent catalyser with very good coating. I will consider replacing mine only if they are worn out or lost their efficiency. Just keep in mind that the Capristo brackets are different for the stock muffler and their muffler. Also, if you upgrade the exhaust headers, you will have also to install their brackets if you want to benefit from their 3yr warranty.

Stef

Thanks

I am going to call them and convey your post.

Gotta get me some Capristo - NOW!

Talked to Dennis at Capristo ... talk about enlightening!!!!!!!!

Anyone wanting to do a group buy pm me - they have everything and I mean everything for your Ferrari.

Stef I read your post to Dennis - he said who is this guy he is 100% correct.

[StefVan]

LOL Doug, I don't know who Dennis is but that's nice Does he work for Taurino?

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by StefVan

LOL Doug, I don't know who Dennis is but that's nice Does he work for Taurino?

Stef it sounded more like he owned the business - very knowledgeable and well in tuned with the Ferrari parts world.

Would love for Dennis to post here and talk about his products especially since we are all looking to modify our Ferrari's.

I truly feel that Capristo is the right choice - anyone looking for Ferrari OEM parts even CF or Capristo let me know and let's see if we can get a group to do this together - PM me some things you have to read between the lines

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by StefVan

Doug, there are several upgrade combinations possible

You can actually wrap only your current stock headers with the Capristo heat shields, as well as your stock cats to reduce the engine bay heat. You can only consider upgrading one part of the exhaust like only the headers (which I did) or only the muffler. If you want to make a progressive upgrade, I would upgrade the cats only at the end. The stock cats are excellent catalyser with very good coating. I will consider replacing mine only if they are worn out or lost their efficiency. Just keep in mind that the Capristo brackets are different for the stock muffler and their muffler. Also, if you upgrade the exhaust headers, you will have also to install their brackets if you want to benefit from their 3yr warranty.

So heat shields will wrap around standard headers as well - would this overheat the header or just reduce temperature in the engine bay?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by champagne612

Assuming Russell installed the entire Capristo set up and would also assume anyone can wrap a set of headers to reduce heat.

Doug, I have upgraded to the Capristo Scuderia system on my 16M, but only cats and muffler - additionally as mentioned you can change the headers. I didn't change the headers for 2 reasons; 1st the Scud already has no precats in the headers and so doesn't suffer from the problem affecting regular 430's where the precat breaks up and gets sucked back into the engine with catastrophic results; 2nd my F car dealer wasn't prepared to fit the headers and keep the factory warranty,(not to mention the extra 4500 euros for the headers!). I think there would be a further reduction in engine bay temps if switching to Capristo headers and for sure they are made to higher quality than stock - I will switch once warranty expires but loosing 2 years warranty made no sense.
I can't comment on how the sound differs between my car with just cats and muffler, compared to cars with headers as well, but I can stay mine sounds stunning. Wonderful sound throughout the rev range and a grin a minute at any speed and any revs with the down blips.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Doug, I have upgraded to the Capristo Scuderia system on my 16M, but only cats and muffler - additionally as mentioned you can change the headers. I didn't change the headers for 2 reasons; 1st the Scud already has no precats in the headers and so doesn't suffer from the problem affecting regular 430's where the precat breaks up and gets sucked back into the engine with catastrophic results; 2nd my F car dealer wasn't prepared to fit the headers and keep the factory warranty,(not to mention the extra 4500 euros for the headers!). I think there would be a further reduction in engine bay temps if switching to Capristo headers and for sure they are made to higher quality than stock - I will switch once warranty expires but loosing 2 years warranty made no sense.
I can't comment on how the sound differs between my car with just cats and muffler, compared to cars with headers as well, but I can stay mine sounds stunning. Wonderful sound throughout the rev range and a grin a minute at any speed and any revs with the down blips.

Russell - Thank You and now that I am out of warranty my goal is to make the best changes for long term care and performance / sound being important but last on the list.

Mark and I may have to come visit to produce that sound video

I literally got a call from Capristo while reading your post.

Capristo is going to call Germany along with Italy to make a proper translation for the 430 Scuderia and of course the 16M.

Capristo will then participate in this thread after gaining all the knowledge and post accordingly to what is the best solutions for each desired result.

They need a few days to get everything right for each variant of the 430.

The CEL - looking forward to learning how their new system works and has no CEL issue yet still produces the most performance.

FWIW - the engineer knew of Stefvan from Switzerland

[markjayw]

There is no CEL with the Capristo system, unless you add test pipes instead of cats.

Still don't understand what your goals are? You also need to factor in at least 1k for installation, that's what studio 47 charged me for headers and exhaust, very fair IMO, the headers take up most of the time.

http://www.capristoexhaust.com/index...category_id=77

[StefVan]

Doug, you can always try to install this HUGE Aventador muffler on your 16M .

I found it so BIG (at least 4/5 times our muffler) when I was standing in front of it, that I had to take a picture of it

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by markjayw

There is no CEL with the Capristo system, unless you add test pipes instead of cats.

Still don't understand what your goals are? You also need to factor in at least 1k for installation, that's what studio 47 charged me for headers and exhaust, very fair IMO, the headers take up most of the time.

http://www.capristoexhaust.com/index...category_id=77

I feel there is a serious heat issue which could effect the car and the CF - of course extra hp would be nice.

The best system for the $ - one time fix.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by StefVan

Doug, you can always try to install this HUGE Aventador muffler on your 16M .

I found it so BIG (at least 4/5 times our muffler) when I was standing in front of it, that I had to take a picture of it

hahaha ...

You have got to be kidding!

That is alottamuff - ler.

[markjayw]

Originally Posted by champagne612

I feel there is a serious heat issue which could effect the car and the CF - of course extra hp would be nice.

The best system for the $ - one time fix.

Pop the rear hatch after a spirited drive. The cf will most likely fade anyway, because of the crappy resin Ferrari has never recalled. Sounds like BGC, if you don't threaten you don't get results. But who can threaten Ferrari? Jim G? Many just wet sand their cf and apply a better clear coat.

[Russell996]

Novitec paddles now fitted, very nice quality and the added length just makes the paddles that bit easier to find. Sorry about the photo quality - note to self, iPhone in dark garage equals poor photos!

[Russell996]

Better shots!

[Scottish16M]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Novitec paddles now fitted, very nice quality and the added length just makes the paddles that bit easier to find. Sorry about the photo quality - note to self, iPhone in dark garage equals poor photos!

They look good Russell, did you buy them direct from Novitec and fit them yourself?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by Scottish16M

They look good Russell, did you buy them direct from Novitec and fit them yourself?

No, a good friend bought them for his Scud, took ages to arrive and then he decided he would try the Carbonio Challenge paddles, they arrived quickly and were fitted. The Novitec paddles subsequently arrived and he very kindly let me have them.
Fitted by Meridien.

[Scottish16M]

Originally Posted by Russell996

No, a good friend bought them for his Scud, took ages to arrive and then he decided he would try the Carbonio Challenge paddles, they arrived quickly and were fitted. The Novitec paddles subsequently arrived and he very kindly let me have them.
Fitted by Meridien.

That's a great result, as my 16M is 'still' with my race specialist he is fitting Challenge Series CF Paddles, as the standard paddles are just too short IMO.