[Boxer]

In terms of mechanics, does anyone have a list of the main differences between the 360 Modena and 360 Challenge?

[Gcalo]

little soundproofing, no carpets, bit more HP, slightly quicker TCU for shift speeds, about 130 lbs net weight diff, larger grille openings on Challenge grille, different exhaust, and very LOUD inside!

[Boxer]

Thanks.

[Mike430]

The 360 Challenge could be distinguished from the Modena externally with the Challenge grill, larger 18inch BBS alloys, a slightly lower ride height and of course the racing style windows replacing the electric windows of the Modena.

As far as I can remember the engine was left standard and produces the same 400bhp as the Modena. If not mistaken the F1 gearbox in the Challenge changes gears in 110ms thanks to the remapped ECU, where as the F1 gearbox in the Modena changed gears in 150ms. The Challenge gearbox compared to the Modena is also fitted with its own oil cooler to reduce operating temperatures.

The Challenge suspension replaced the electronic damping system with racing Boge shock absorbers, has stiffer racing springs and aluminium suspension bushes. All the interior luxury was taken out of the Challenge version which resulted in a 120kg weight reduction compared to the Modena.

[Gcalo]

Rims are same widths as the Modena.

Not aware of any w/18" rims though.

HP was up 20.

Remember that there is considerable difference of Challenge car from the Stradale.

[360trev]

I know this is an old posting but here goes...

360 Modena Challenge

Here's my list so far. I'd love some help to make this more comprehensive... (not yet exhaustive!)

Removal of sound system, stereo head unit, door 6.5" speakers, door tweeters, power amps, gps receiver, cd changer, wiring looms.
Removal of sound-deadening materials, interior trim panels and chassis coated sound deadening.
Removal of airbags (driver, passenger), airbag ecu, airbag wiring looms
Removal of inertia reel seat belts, seat belt pre-tensioners, wiring looms
Removal of hand brake, cables, hand brake calipers, pads, bolts.
Removal of standard alloys wheels, tires and wheel bolts
Removal of standard brake discs, calipers, caliper bolts, Bosch abs
Removal of standard suspension springs, dampers, wishbone bushes, front & rear anti-roll bars
Removal of air conditioning system, compressor, gas, fluids, etc, air con control panel.
Removal of door panel (leather outer door panel, handle)
Removal of door interior parts (locks and central locking solenoids, electric windows, crash bars, opening lighting).
Removal of door glass side windows
Removal of front windshield and cabin rear glass
Removal of tracking system and immobilizer, alarm, alarm siren, horns, wiring looms (re-programmed ignition computers)
Removal of clock & courtesy lighting
Removal of glove box, glove box damper, etc.
Removal of sun blinds and trim
Removal of leather seats, sliding rails
Removal of carpets, carpet insulation
Removal of headlining, roof lining sponge & sound deadening
Removal of brushed aluminum consoles, central and dash
Removal of green instruments dashboard.
Removal of 26 piece interior trim panels
Removal of engine lid glass & rear heating element
Removal of front compartment trim, tire foam, manuals, leather straps, courtesy lighting, etc.
Removal of front water washer bottle
Removal of exhaust back box, tips and valve system
Removal of remote actuators for front bonnet opening, fuel filler cap
Removal of standard lead-acid battery
Removal of standard steel battery drip tray
Removal of standard clutch & flywheel
Removal of standard air filters
Removal of standard steering rack
Removal of electric exterior mirror internal motors

They are replaced by;

Engine fully blueprinted & micro finished to a +/- 1% tolerance including polished intake and export ports, balanced pistons, con-rods, etc.
Uprated Engine mounts
Carbon gearbox paddles
Carbon Inner Door Panels with pull
Challenge Vented Grille
RTM manufactured front and rear bumpers & side skirts
Upgraded TCU without finnessed upshifting (faster)
Race calibrated Bosch ABS & ASR (anti-lock and traction control) system
Fixed Lexan side window panels with F40-style slide openings.
Lighter weight Front Windshield and rear cabin glass
Carbon Brake Ducts/air coolers
Carbon (FIA approved) fuel tanks (26.4 gallons), dual
Carbon (FIA approved) single fitted (1 spare) 5kg OMP fixed bucket racing seat
6-point racing harness (FIA approved)
Engine cover with Lexan with air scoop.
Upgraded Underbody floor with NACA air ducting
Matt Black sprayed interior panels, floor, roof, etc.
Uprated Racing Clutch with lightened flywheel
OMP three-spoke racing wheel
OMP bolt in (FIA approved) roll cage (modified dash and rear steps to fit)
OMP fire extinguisher bottle & fire suppression system
Magneti Marelli LCD instrument panel wired with onboard telemetry.
Relocated Race spec two filler pipes for fast fueling
Relocated gearbox oil cooler
Engine kill switch
Engine lid & front compartment lids, removal of catches and motorized opening, racing pin openings.
K&N air filters
Plastic bag for screen washer fluid
Racing 'open' exhaust system
Racing gel battery
Upgraded suspension (uprated Single Rate Boge dampers replacing AF Sach variable electric dampers)
Upgraded springs (uprated, different ratings)
Upgraded roll bars (front & rear uprated, different ratings)
Upgraded flanblocks (all uprated)
Upgraded drop links (thicker, stronger)
BBS 18" Challenge Wheels (lightweight)
Titanium wheel bolts (lightweight)
Brembo Racing brakes
Pirelli P-Zero Slicks (sticky)
Uprated Steering Rack (? more details anyone?)
Unique Chassis number (not a road legal one)

Official Performance figures:

Power (SAE net) : 410 bhp @ 8500 rpm
Torque (SAE net) : 286 lb-ft @ 4750 rpm
0-100km (0-62 mph) : 3.9 sec
Top speed (limited) : 185 mph
Kerb Weight : 1,250kg (2755 lbs)
Dry Weight : 1,169kg (2577 lbs)

[360trev]

Originally Posted by Gcalo

Rims are same widths as the Modena.

Not aware of any w/18" rims though.

HP was up 20.

Remember that there is considerable difference of Challenge car from the Stradale.

The rims are actually 0.5" wider allowing for fitment of wider tires which helps with grip levels as well as being quite a bit lighter too.

[tazandjan]

Trev- Good to see you over here.

What we have here is a failure to communicate (great movie line). Some folks are talking about the street Challenge Stradale, and some folks are talking about the track-only 360 Challenge.

Since Boxer is way smarter than I am, I assume he actually meant the race car 360 Challenge. If not, he can chime in and correct us and I will loan him my 360 CS hardbound sales brochure. The Challenge Stradale and 360 Challenge parts books are both on Ricambi's site and give a pretty good look at what changes were made, but Trev's list is much easier to read for the race car.

[Rallyman]

Just back from the Ferrari Finals in Mugello. This morning I was comparing a friend's CS wth a standard Modena next to it.

I would add to the list of differences:

Front bumper is slightly different (more angular at the lower part)
Suspension settings: Lower and more negative camber.
Mirrors
Rear diffuser.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by tazandjan

Trev- Good to see you over here.

What we have here is a failure to communicate (great movie line). Some folks are talking about the street Challenge Stradale, and some folks are talking about the track-only 360 Challenge.

Since Boxer is way smarter than I am, I assume he actually meant the race car 360 Challenge. If not, he can chime in and correct us and I will loan him my 360 CS hardbound sales brochure. The Challenge Stradale and 360 Challenge parts books are both on Ricambi's site and give a pretty good look at what changes were made, but Trev's list is much easier to read for the race car.

+1, I was referring to the race car - 360 Challenge.

Saw one on Thursday at Brands. Brought back some very fine memories. Great car, built like a rock, quick, and capable of being driven hard all day long.

[360trev]

Originally Posted by Rallyman

Just back from the Ferrari Finals in Mugello. This morning I was comparing a friend's CS wth a standard Modena next to it.

I would add to the list of differences:

Front bumper is slightly different (more angular at the lower part)
Suspension settings: Lower and more negative camber.
Mirrors
Rear diffuser.

Your talking about the CS, not the 360 Modena Challenge.

Basically, here's the CS to Modena differences, there are a heck of a lot more difference than just the ones you've mentioned.

360 Modena Options
Optional 360 Modena, F1 Gearbox becomes standard fitment
Optional 360 Modena, roll over style bar behind seats (cs swaps from steel to aluminium to save weight)
Optional 360 Modena, Racing Belt Harnesses [not usa]
4-point 'road' racing style harnesses
Optional 360 Modena, Engine Dressing Kit standard
Blue anodized EGR vent pipe standard
Engine bay Carbon drip trays
Engine bay air cover garnish
Engine bay Carbon air boxes, specific to F430/CS afm's
Engine CF Lid Vents, specific to lexan glass version
Optional 360 Modena, Carbon Seats fitted as standard
Choice of Small, Medium or Large (carbon garnishes replace silver paint)
Optional CS specific stereo delete or fitment Hifi with subwoofer box
Central Subwoofer box with speaker, one speaker deleted
Twin rear firewall pockets
CS Specific Stereo box fitted below dash (no speakers in cf door panels)
Optional CS specific lexan side windows
(Deletes glass side windows and electric functions)
Optional CS specific racing stripe
(Sticker which was clear coated at factory)

Carbon CCM Brakes
Larger 380mm Front Brembo CCM Brake, 350mm rear CCM discs
ABS/ASR s/w upgraded for CCM's
ABS Vacuum servo for CCM's (lighter)

Wheels & Tires
19" Challenge Style Alloys Wheels, option on F430 become standard on CS
19" Rosso Corsa track day/dry weather biased tires

Handling Upgrades
Revised suspension geometry
Uprated stiffer Suspension Springs in Titanium
Uprated stiffer Suspension Double Wishbones bushes
Uprated stiffer engine mounts
Uprated stiffer suspension ECU software, addition of race mode, deleting soft 'normal mode'
Uprated stiffer hollow rear anti roll bar
Titanium wheel Bolts (lighter)

Styling, Aero & Weight
RTM Fiberglass Front Bumper (lighter, aero)
RTM Fiberglass Rear Bumper with rear diffusers (lighter, aero)
RTM Fiberglass Side Skirts (lighter, aero)
Rear Aluminium Challenge Grille (lighter, improved heat dissaption)
CF Side Mirrors (lighter, aero)
Engine Cover glass to Plexi-glass with 2 carbon stays from 360 Challenge cars (lighter)
Engine Cover lid with Nulder (aero)
Front Bumper Challenge grills
Rear Bumper Challenge grills
Side Skirt grills
Side Petrol Filler Flap with Horse
Lightweight Under tray

Interior
Carpets deleted, sound deading material removed,
Standard fitment of Alcantara replacing leather (leather still an option)
Dashboard computer s/w updated to support CCM
Dash Air vents (5 of) from F430, Air ball vents (revised style)
Dash Clocks, Dash Clocks (easier to read, yellow revs, revised light panel)
Front Floor mats replaced with rubber
CF specific door Panels with pocket and aluminium styled handle
Upper dash modified for flat edge (to fit carbon door panels)
Lower dash panel replaced with stereo delete
Dash Centre Console in CF, buttons relocated to central tunnel, engine start button fitted
Dash Clocks Surround with Laminated CF layer on top of aluminium (style)
CS specific steering Wheel with horn buttons in wheel
Enzo shared/CS red key
Engine bay coolant box & airbox in silver (style)
Interior to engine bay thinner glass window (shared with 360 Challenge car)

Gearshift & Engine Performance
TCU shifting speed software upgraded
Engine bay F430 Air Flow meters
Ignition Computer mapping
Racing Exhaust fitted as standard
360 MC engine, basically a blueprinted engine (to 0.5% tolerances vs 2% standard)
Polishing and micro-finishing
Higher compression pistons

[360trev]

Originally Posted by Mike430

The 360 Challenge could be distinguished from the Modena externally with the Challenge grill, larger 18inch BBS alloys, a slightly lower ride height and of course the racing style windows replacing the electric windows of the Modena.

As far as I can remember the engine was left standard and produces the same 400bhp as the Modena. If not mistaken the F1 gearbox in the Challenge changes gears in 110ms thanks to the remapped ECU, where as the F1 gearbox in the Modena changed gears in 150ms. The Challenge gearbox compared to the Modena is also fitted with its own oil cooler to reduce operating temperatures.

The Challenge suspension replaced the electronic damping system with racing Boge shock absorbers, has stiffer racing springs and aluminium suspension bushes. All the interior luxury was taken out of the Challenge version which resulted in a 120kg weight reduction compared to the Modena.

You know what, I just don't actually buy this weight loss at all.

The Challenge cars saved at least x2 or even x3 the weight of the CS over the Modena so I'm betting the 360 Challenge are substantially lower weight than a Stradale. I'm guessing at least 200-250kg's less than a typical Modena. They basically have no interior, no aircon, much less kit, etc.

Q. Did anyone corner weight a 360 Modena Challenge and happy to share their results?

[Rallyman]

Dont forget you have to add the weight of the roll cage in the case of the Challenge car.

[360trev]

Originally Posted by Rallyman

Dont forget you have to add the weight of the roll cage in the case of the Challenge car.

True, fair point, well made.

Perhaps its also that the 110kg's always quoted for the CS is just a 'best case scenario' where there is no leather, fitted with lexan side windows [no electric windows], smallest cf seats, no stereo, no roll bar, no extinguisher, etc. Possibly even no fuel. (how do we know what specs Ferrari tested it with?).

IMHO the typical challenge car weight is a lot less than a typical CS. Probably 100kg's+ less.