[David Lee]

How important is a 30k service? Anyone know what kind parts needs to be replace, does it have to be done by a dealership or a trust worthy mechanic is just as good? what kind of difference with it make? While getting such service what to look for?

Cheers
D

[Granucci]

uh, oh.

[Mark Ducati]

I don't own a Ferrari, YET.... but when I do, its kinda like getting a sportbike and buying a cheap helmet, how important or valuable is your brain to you? Got a $50 head, buy a $50 helmet.

With a Ferrari, as much money as they cost, I wouldn't skimp on a service...

As for the mechanic, maybe someone else can chime in here... but I've often heard that a stealership charges a premium and that sometimes the head service technician who's been there for 10+ years sometimes goes out on their own and opens their own shop and does the same work for about half the cost.... I have no experience in this, but this what I've been told on other Ferrari Lambo boards.

[Boxer]

Suggest you PM gothspeed.

[ttdang123]

Originally Posted by David Lee

How important is a 30k service? Anyone know what kind parts needs to be replace, does it have to be done by a dealership or a trust worthy mechanic is just as good? what kind of difference with it make? While getting such service what to look for?

Cheers
D

F car service goes by miles or years, whichever comes first. Skip and you will pay more later. You can see what needed to be done in this PDF file.

Unless you can a find a good local F mech (not one that deals with F car only from time to time), I would bring my car to the dealership (IMO).

[Granucci]

ANDREW: Can we somehow get the 'good stuff' into a sticky on the documentation Wiki where we can just direct persons?

the thought of endless threads on similar postings with cleanups and regurgitation makes me want a warm corner.

thinking about everything -- ah the wiki

r

[Barry]

Originally Posted by Granucci

ANDREW: Can we somehow get the 'good stuff' into a sticky on the documentation Wiki where we can just direct persons?

the thought of endless threads on similar postings with cleanups and regugitation makes me want a warm corner.

thinking verything -- ah the wiki

r

Rik
Can we start with a common answer to "how do you guys afford a Ferrari?"

[StefVan]

Originally Posted by Granucci

ANDREW: Can we somehow get the 'good stuff' into a sticky on the documentation Wiki where we can just direct persons?

the thought of endless threads on similar postings with cleanups and regugitation makes me want a warm corner.

thinking verything -- ah the wiki

r

30000 miles service details already available for the F430 in the articles section, for a start Hope someone will do this for the 360

[tazandjan]

Rik, Stef- I can post the maintenance pages from just about any Ferrari OM up until the Superamerica, where they stopped putting it in the owners manuals, if anybody thinks it would be valuable. Andrew will be updating the member section with a whole lot more OMs in the near future, though, so not sure it would not be overkill.

Actually a synopsis might be valuable. Servicing for all the late Ferraris is about the same, with valve clearances excepted. None of them, however, tell you to change the coolant every 2-3 years. Hence all the bad radiators we tend to see in Ferraris that were run with coolant that had no additives still working.

I picked up a 512S owners manual (CD) the other day. Now there is some really useful information for most of us.

[Granucci]

Barry: LOL

Stef/Taz: not sure of the construct, but was thinking more in tune to a hyper link, where one is a chain to another. Soooo...OIL CHANGE --> Generalities --> Model Specifics --> tadaaa, and then a bread-crumb, Return to Start .. so to speak.

as if Andrew hasn't enough work.

I do this for my in-house maintenance manuals for SQL servers etc. I know how much work it can be, but the granularity shouldn't be the issue until specific model is selected.

Goal In my mind is to consolidate the starter threads towards those nicer links and make it just the great resource this site is maturing to be.

2 cents

[tazandjan]

Rik- I have all the data, but none of the computer expertise.

Dave- Back to your original question. Does your car have 30,000 miles or are you saying it is time for an engine-out belt change? Big difference, although once the engine is out.....

Maintenence=Insurance (that nothing big is going to happen, like 20-40 bent valves.)

When was the last time the belts were changed?

[lucca brazzi]

hello Sir,im certainly not as knowledgable as most of the fellows on here when it comes to mechanical issues, but my experience says that since i have serviced my 328 every 30k miles, or so , i have been rewarded with a very mechanically sound motor ,that runs as good or better than it did when i purchased the car, and im now just about ready to click 90,000 miles, along the way there has been all the incidentals that go along with owning a Ferrari,you know just like any other high performance car , the big difference that i see, is the price of the parts and the labor when it comes to keeping up a Ferrari, the 328 is a car that i have been able to keep up with,as far as costs go. Brett

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Granucci

Barry: LOL

Stef/Taz: not sure of the construct, but was thinking more in tune to a hyper link, where one is a chain to another. Soooo...OIL CHANGE --> Generalities --> Model Specifics --> tadaaa, and then a bread-crumb, Return to Start .. so to speak.

as if Andrew hasn't enough work.

I do this for my in-house maintenance manuals for SQL servers etc. I know how much work it can be, but the granularity shouldn't be the issue until specific model is selected.

Goal In my mind is to consolidate the starter threads towards those nicer links and make it just the great resource this site is maturing to be.

2 cents

Rik,

As taz mentioned. There is something in the works. The "Members" tab at the top is soon getting an overhaul and renamed to something else. Working on it as part of a major release that will happen by end of Q1 this year. I sort of understand your breadcrumb:

Oil Change > Generalities = this page has basic info that applies to all models from this page, you link to the model for the model specific and land on:

Oil Change > Generalities > 360 Modena (for example)

This can be achieved already with the Wiki, think of Oil Change as the book, Generalities as a Chapter, and 360 Modena as a sub-section of that chapter.

For the other thing I'm working on, everything will be more model centric

[DonJuan348]

I have 3 year and 13k miles on mi 360 who had a total of 61k on the clock. I will be doing a fluidS service this but as for belts that will at the four year 20 k mile point.

From Dayco these belts are rated for 60k miles so to change at 15k miles is ridiculous and from an antiquated service bulletin.

[tazandjan]

DJ- Do you have that bulletin? I have never seen anything calling for belt changes at 15,000 miles. Current recommended interval for V8 Ferraris is 3 years or 30,000 miles, whichever comes first. Most 348 and F355 owners seem to ignore that recommendation and go with 4-5 years. Here is the actual FNA technical bulletin.

15,000 mile maintenance items off the top of my head are valve adjustment and suspension alignment, plus a whole lot more.

[Granucci]

Taz: I think he means he is at the 3 year mark AND having < 15k miles on a 60k rated belt, which might make sense for that question.

Most have no option but to stay with the posted rules, and that is a liability thing of some value.

But Delco rating a Ferrari belt on its engine IMO is not the same as a general American model. Yes, I know there can at times be little difference.

Having said that, one can take chances, but I believe these newer belts can go a bit longer. NOW I've stuck my neck out. I will be hammered by the pros, and not by the pocket book wary. But honestly on the post 355 series, the belt changes are much easier, less expensive IMO and do keep the car in greater order if only to check the other nibbly pieces while in there.

after all, IF that belt goes south, that beautiful engine is an exercise waiting for its own 'Rebuild Thread'....of course it would make for good reading.

[tazandjan]

Rik- That is why I said 348 and F355 owners tend to ignore the recommendation, because you have to pull the engine. No sweat on a 360 or 308/328, where the engine stays in.

It really comes down to it being the owner's car and they can do whatever they want on belt changes or any maintenance. Just do not expect to find any justification for it. Nobody actually cares what an individual does with his car unless they are buying that car. If buying a car without a recent belt change, that gets factored into the price and the new owner drives it to the shop and changes the belts. Whether the car missed any belt changes does not affect how the car performs, since the belts survived, but it does point to a car that was not maintained by the book.

Dayco does not rate Ferrari belts for 60,000 miles, unlike what SJ said. Their quote is to follow the manufacturer's recommendations.

On 456s and 550s with late (used through 612 production) tensioner brackets and the 5 year 575M/612 belts, I tell owners five years is fine, but my opinion is not worth much.

[Granucci]

we are on the same page.

good advice all about.

[DonJuan348]

Taz,

I trust what you say. Why wont 5 years be advisable for V8 especially the 360 ? I do recall seeing a SB saying 3y/15k. A friend contacted Dayco was told their belts are rated for 60k miles.

I have 61k miles on mi car by the way...

I think its overkill to change belts at 3 years IF it is driven regularly but if it sits mostly then I would agree... At the four year mark for me , I will probaly be at about 20k miles on the belts.

I have 60k miles so I plan to do 60k service except belts I'm doing those next year at the four year. I do plan to have an visual inspection ...

I dont know what is need for 60k service so I will look later.

[tazandjan]

DJ- If I had a 348 or F355, it would probably be 4-5 years between belt changes for me. Just too expensive to change them more often than that.

My car gets driven 2-4 times per week and is actually my daily driver, except I am retired so do not need to drive to work daily. So she goes to the post office and the grocery store as well as being driven on regular "she needs to be driven" trips. They like to be driven. Have not had a battery maintainer on her for over three years and the battery is probably 4-5 years old.

Like I said, it is up to each individual owner how a Ferrari is maintained. The annual fluid changes are the most important, followed in importance by regular changes of transaxle, power steering, refrigerant, and coolant fluids.