[AndrewG]

Hi there I'm sure glad I found this site. I've just started looking for my first Ferrari and have my heart set on a 430 Scuderia. I was hoping for help on a few questions I have as I don't know any ferrari owners. 1) are Ferrari dealers flexible on used models? Would a car listed at 200k have 10k wiggle room? I know this a broad question but I have owned RVs where the dealers list price is 20% above the real price. 2) is it a good time to buy a 430? 3) what are the maintenance cost on a 430 does a 430 scuderia have higher maintenance costs? Any other advice would be much appreciated as I am completely green.

Thanks

Andrew G

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Hi there I'm sure glad I found this site. I've just started looking for my first Ferrari and have my heart set on a 430 Scuderia. I was hoping for help on a few questions I have as I don't know any ferrari owners. 1) are Ferrari dealers flexible on used models? Would a car listed at 200k have 10k wiggle room? I know this a broad question but I have owned RVs where the dealers list price is 20% above the real price. 2) is it a good time to buy a 430? 3) what are the maintenance cost on a 430 does a 430 scuderia have higher maintenance costs? Any other advice would be much appreciated as I am completely green.

Thanks

Andrew G

Welcome to Flife.

In terms of your questions, it depends on the car and dealer. Get a good idea of real selling prices and then use that as a negotiation base. price is also heavily dependent on mileage and condition. There is no such thing as a cheap or bargain Ferrari, it is just when you are going to pay....up front or later in makign up for deferred maintenance. Overall, 430 Scud maintenance costs should not be any higher than normally those of a 430 F1 with ceramic brakes.

[Mighty Joe]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Hi there I'm sure glad I found this site. I've just started looking for my first Ferrari and have my heart set on a 430 Scuderia. I was hoping for help on a few questions I have as I don't know any ferrari owners. 1) are Ferrari dealers flexible on used models? Would a car listed at 200k have 10k wiggle room? I know this a broad question but I have owned RVs where the dealers list price is 20% above the real price. 2) is it a good time to buy a 430? 3) what are the maintenance cost on a 430 does a 430 scuderia have higher maintenance costs? Any other advice would be much appreciated as I am completely green.

Thanks

Andrew G

Wow, 430 Scud....you don't mess around! That car is something special as are all F-cars! But the Scuderia's are a breed within a breed. Hang around here for a while and learn as much as you can. Hey, thats what I did and I ended up with a sweet F360 Modena F1! God...I Love my car!

[Dermot]

As a scud owner I can certainly confirm that it's one amazing Ferrari - there's always room to negotiate, so on a 230-240k car u should see movement in the price. I'd make sure u go to a well established dealer if possible, these are expensive cars and you want to avoid the ones that have been driven hard. Having said that when I was looking for mine nearly every car I saw was in great condition! They tend to be owned by people who care about Ferrari's and can afford to maintain them.

Any more questions just ask
Good hunting

[il Capolino]

AndrewG!

A Scud will never disappoint you. The only trouble is all other cars will give you a soft-on after you have befriended a Scud.

To your questions:

1) Always negotiate. To get a clear negotiation plan, carefully take note of all options on your different target cars and at what prices these options were listed. There are more cars out there than you think. Be bold, cash in hand.

2) It is always a good time to buy an F430 or a 430 Scuderia. Better still to buy them now when owner hands are few and milage is low.

3) Keep 10.000Euro aside for surprises and you should be fine. Remember these are practically new cars with warranties still in order. In general, try not to worry too much about maintenance and surprises since it will kill the joy. These are premium cars with lots of exclusive material in almost all parts and it is bound to be more costly than the owner's budget of a Volvo. Check with your dealer what the service costs are for a five year plan. Some services are more complete and likely to be more costly than the normal anual service so a five to six year service plan will give you a good idea. With a Scud your highest cost is likely to be tyres. You will rip through them almost like on a sports bike. Check prices on a full set of P Corsa and prepare to change every second year, depending how much you drive. There are lots of rumours about the ceramic brakes. From what I hear from the workshop manager's experiencies at my dealer is that ceramic brakes are very tough and durable. If you take in depreciation you will be better of with a Scud than an F430.

Good luck,
Capo

[AndrewG]

I appreciate all your responses. Does anyone know the anticipated life of ceramic brakes under normal driving conditions? Any dealer recommendations in Southern California.

Thanks,

Andrew

[Ollenaram550]

My 2 penneth, 430 stock Vs scud. A lot depends how good a driver you are and what driver training you have had. There are very few people that are actually good enough drivers to exploit the scuds capabilities. For most people the 430 is more of a car than they are a driver. Me included.

[Dermot]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I appreciate all your responses. Does anyone know the anticipated life of ceramic brakes under normal driving conditions? Any dealer recommendations in Southern California.

Thanks,

Andrew

In normal driving conditions (Well as normal as u can drive in one of these monsters) I'd say you will have the disks for the life of the car (Which would be good considering how much they cost). Bentley claim that the Carbon Ceramic disks on the Supersports will never need to be changed, however the pads will need to be (No idea how often) I'm sure the pads on the Scuderia will need changing from time to time as well.

Apart from the amazing stopping power (Which is instantaneous on the Scuderia as opposed my previous Challenge Stradale which needed some heat in the CS brakes to be really effective) another advantage is the complete lack of brake dust which translates to always clean wheels!!! OK thats a lame reason for spending all that money on brakes, but its a nice side benefit :-)

cheers

D

[Dermot]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I appreciate all your responses. Does anyone know the anticipated life of ceramic brakes under normal driving conditions? Any dealer recommendations in Southern California.

Thanks,

Andrew

On your question about SOCAL dealers I've worked with Ferrari of Newport Beach before and always find them helpful. www.fmsocal.com is a good URL to try out

Good hunting

D