Who stole 28 cars (Ferraris included) from John Andrews?‏ - Ferrari Life

Ferrari Life Ferrari Forum Ferrari Discussion ::

Who stole 28 cars (Ferraris included) from John Andrews?‏


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-06-2012, 10:08 AM   #1
Owner
 
krasnavian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Los Angeles/Paris
Ferrari Life Posts: 491
Default Who stole 28 cars (Ferraris included) from John Andrews?‏

I have known John Andrews since the late sixties and have written about some of the adventures we've had together with his Lamborghini Miura, his Ferrari 275GTB 6/C and his Lusso. Most notably, there was a magnificent drive in the San Bernardino mountains with John in his Miura, Matthew Ettinger in the Ferrari Breadvan and me in the GTO. Therefore, it was a shock to learn that thieves have systematically stolen twenty-eight of John's cars (and titles)--including those listed in the opening to this blog. Shortly after dismissing the 'night watchman' who had been living on the premises of John's 1 1/2 acre location in John's motorhome and who had recently acquired a new pick-up truck and a restored '55 Chevy, John's house was destroyed by fire set by an arson. The fire occurred after the 'night watchman' had returned unbidden to live surreptitiously in the motorhome and was subsequently ejected by the police.

It is not the average thief who targets for theft exotic cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollar--or millions on aggregate. Obviously, the cars cannot be sold openly in the usual channels. John's cars are being sold, however, by someone who has a book of names and numbers of people who are known to be able to afford such cars. Who would have a list of potential Ferrari buyers who could purchase a Ferrari worth hundreds of thousands of dollars over the phone, possibly from someone they know and trust? The interview seen here is the first step towards getting an answer to that question. I suspect we will find that the party in question is someone well known to Ferrari enthusiasts and, upon reflection once his identity is known, that his involvement will come as no big surprise. Those who end up with the cars will be required to disclose from whence they came and under what circumstances.

The photograph above shows me with John standing in front of his house that was destroyed by fire last month. Click on the link below to see John's interview.

Stephen Mitchell interviews John Andrews - YouTube
Attached Images
 
krasnavian is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsor - Register now for free to stop viewing this ad.
Old 12-06-2012, 01:33 PM   #2
 
Ramy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Riyadh.
Ferrari Life Posts: 152
Name: Ramy
Default

I'm sorry to hear what has happened to Mr. Andrew's cars and property.
Glad and thankful that he's in good health, one of the true irreplaceable goods.

Given the relative rarity of these autos, one would think that the specialist collector-car market was an exclusive and familiar circle. Public sales are celebrated with automotive news coverage, and details of private sales exchanged in whispers by smaller crowds of people around the biz. Unsure how much remains truly hidden.

Did not know that there existed shadows in which ultra-rare cars were coveted to the point of illicit acquisition. One would suspect that this specific and specialized heist might already have its specific and specialized buyers used to this sort of shady channel, so I am unsure if the following suggestion may help:

Besides the relevant authorities, perhaps a planned social-media campaign increasing awareness may make these sales more difficult? A story and heist of this scale like this could (and would) get coverage by collector & specialist channels (SCM),digital & print automotive news outlets (C&D, Jalopnik, Drive), and perhaps even a bit of national coverage?

Perhaps a blanket of general awareness may mark a red-flag on these 28 cars.

A succint youtube video may be easily and quickly disseminated. A condensed two to three minute version of the interview along with a few infographics would do. It could be part of a 'hub' site listing as much info on the case: the cars, investigation progress, coverage, and tips.

Best of luck!
Ramy is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 01:54 PM   #3
Owner
Elite Member
 
wetpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chevy Chase, Md
Ferrari Life Posts: 8,934
Name: Ed
Default

so this guy doesn't have the titles for these cars? sounds like he needs a lawyer asap. very strange.


"Half the quotations by famous people you see on the internet are complete bullsh*t." - Abraham Lincoln

Everything you heard is not true

Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!
wetpet is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 01:57 PM   #4
Owner
Elite Member
 
wetpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Chevy Chase, Md
Ferrari Life Posts: 8,934
Name: Ed
Default

If the titles were stolen out of his safe, why didn't he have replacements issued immediately?


"Half the quotations by famous people you see on the internet are complete bullsh*t." - Abraham Lincoln

Everything you heard is not true

Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!
wetpet is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 02:41 PM   #5
Owner
Elite Member
 
JazzyO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Ferrari Life Posts: 5,998
Default

Serial numbers and descriptions?


Onno


Future: No idea
Present: 458 Italia, 550 Maranello
Past: 365BB x 2,
330GTC
JazzyO is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 04:19 PM   #6
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Between California and Japan, sometimes europe.
Ferrari Life Posts: 68
Name: Mick, Micky, Mike, Michael, Miguel, Michelle you decide.
Default

Oh lord. I find it all too sketchy. I would think it has to be someone close and
who had knowledge of where things were. 28 cars is a lot of damn cars to move.


You lift, I accelerate.
Micky_likesredcar_noise is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 08:30 PM   #7
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzyO View Post
Serial numbers and descriptions?


Onno
250 GT Ellena #0847 GT, engine only.
330 GT America #5051 GT, painted black.
250 GT Lusso #5937 GT, painted red.
275 GTB longnose #08743, sort of blue. Today in San Francisco.
166 MM Berlinetta Touring #0026 M, red. Today in Newport Beach.
250 GT SWB Berlinetta #1849 GT, red. Today in The Netherlands.

Marcel Massini
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 09:25 PM   #8
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

No secrets, full disclosure.
Here is the ex John M. Andrews 166 MM Berlinetta Touring Le Mans #0026 M.
As found at Andrews' place in 1994 and once restored.

Marcel Massini
Attached Images
  
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 09:27 PM   #9
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

250 GT/L #5937 GT in 1994.

Marcel Massini
Attached Images
 
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 09:48 PM   #10
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

Here is 275 GTB/6C #08743 in 1994 and today.

Marcel Massini
Attached Images
  
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 09:54 PM   #11
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

Here is 250 GT SWB Berlinetta #1849 GT, when new and hillclimbed, with Italian owner Giorgio Billi, then an John Andrews' place in California 1994 and finally as it is today.

Marcel Massini
Attached Images
    
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-06-2012, 10:00 PM   #12
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Ferrari Life Posts: 1
Default

This is an incredible story, do you have more?
Ionlyownoneshirt is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 12:15 AM   #13
Owner
Elite Member
 
JazzyO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Ferrari Life Posts: 5,998
Default

So this theft (? was it theft? Marcel's wording seems to suggest something else?) happened 18 years ago, is that correct? Very confused.


Onno


Future: No idea
Present: 458 Italia, 550 Maranello
Past: 365BB x 2,
330GTC
JazzyO is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 12:51 AM   #14
Owner
Elite Member
 
212Export's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Europe
Ferrari Life Posts: 3,967
Default

I tend to believe, that as elsewhere in other areas often to be seen too, what people say or try to express in their believes or internal believe systems may not necessarily fit the truth or in that case the real story as it is or was....maybe I'm wrong too ?!


Present: 365 GTB/4, F50, Scud
Past: 250 GTE, 250 PF (2), 275 GTBsn, 330 GTC, 456GT, 550, 360Stradale, 430Scuderia, F40

Last edited by 212Export; 12-07-2012 at 06:43 AM.
212Export is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 01:35 AM   #15
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzyO View Post
So this theft (? was it theft? Marcel's wording seems to suggest something else?) happened 18 years ago, is that correct? Very confused.


Onno
There is no theft.
All these cars were sold normally and are well known since many years. As said, no secret at all.

Marcel Massini
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 03:15 AM   #16
Owner
Elite Member
 
550JM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Netherlands
Ferrari Life Posts: 1,128
Name: Jeroen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcel Massini View Post
There is no theft.
All these cars were sold normally and are well known since many years. As said, no secret at all.

Marcel Massini
So what's this thread all about then? Indeed confusing!
Marcel, it's so wonderful to have you here, everytime you post it's eye and mindcandy!
Many thanks!!


Jeroen

Italian bella's:
550 Maranello 7-2000 nero/nero
1974 Ducati 750 Yellow Sport
1974 Ducati 350 Desmo Yellow Sport
2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200S
(And a few Alfa Romeo's and Range Rovers)

Power is nothing without control
550JM is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 03:16 AM   #17
Owner
Elite Member
 
550JM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Netherlands
Ferrari Life Posts: 1,128
Name: Jeroen
Default

And would I love to stumble on a barn like that....(but then again, who wouldn't...)


Jeroen

Italian bella's:
550 Maranello 7-2000 nero/nero
1974 Ducati 750 Yellow Sport
1974 Ducati 350 Desmo Yellow Sport
2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200S
(And a few Alfa Romeo's and Range Rovers)

Power is nothing without control
550JM is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 03:53 AM   #18
Owner
Elite Member
 
JazzyO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Ferrari Life Posts: 5,998
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcel Massini View Post
There is no theft.
Thanks Marcel. Stephen, it would be great if you could explain a bit more why this story aired like this?


Onno


Future: No idea
Present: 458 Italia, 550 Maranello
Past: 365BB x 2,
330GTC
JazzyO is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 06:27 AM   #19
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Switzerland
Ferrari Life Posts: 139
Name: Marcel Massini
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzyO View Post
............it would be great if you could explain a bit more why this story aired like this?
Onno
I assume it has to do with sort of "seller's remorse"..............

Marcel Massini
Marcel Massini is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 12-07-2012, 07:59 AM   #20
Owner
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Ferrari Life Posts: 196
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wetpet View Post
If the titles were stolen out of his safe, why didn't he have replacements issued immediately?
it may not be that simple, not everyone titles or registers every car they purchase...many collecters /traders hold car docuiments in an open form ( as dealers do in their normal course of business... cars traded in or in inventory are not titled or registered until sold ) ... especially on cars that will not be driven and may be resold... documents are impossible to replace especially if the original seller cannot be located or is deceased... leaving one without proof of ownership should originals go missing
fromage is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply
Ferrari Life Ferrari Forum Ferrari Discussion Who stole 28 cars (Ferraris included) from John Andrews?‏

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Ferrari Life forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:13 AM.