[champagne612]

I have limited garage space and it's tough to let the 612 go.

Choices are 360 430 or the - 16M but not in love with having 400k in Ferrari's that depreciate.

Feel the need to have a soft top ... tossing on a cap and cruising!

Any insight for those who have stuck with or moved to the 430 - thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

[355dreamer]

Doug
Switchcars just listed a beautiful 16m for sale. Might be worth a look.

Keep us posted!

Luke

[barcheta]

Toggie just got rid of his 430 for a 458.... wasn't a spider though. He's on here. Perhaps you could reach out to him for some insight.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by 355dreamer

Doug
Switchcars just listed a beautiful 16m for sale. Might be worth a look.

Keep us posted!

Luke

Wow 280's

My issue with the 16M's is price - they keep dropping and rarely a sale.

IMO - it is the best looking but is it worth another 150K over a 360?

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by barcheta

Toggie just got rid of his 430 for a 458.... wasn't a spider though. He's on here. Perhaps you could reach out to him for some insight.

Thanks - Spiders are a sacrifice in performance so my thought was are the 360 guys moving to 430's.

Of course there isn't a huge gap anymore - guessing 50 - 70k

[Killer58]

In driving both a 360 and a 430 around Maranello, I couldn't tell any difference in performance. But I sure do like the looks of the 360 better. I'm willing to bet that if you got a 360, you wouldn't regret it, nor wish you'd gotten a 430 instead.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by champagne612

Wow 280's

My issue with the 16M's is price - they keep dropping and rarely a sale.

IMO - it is the best looking but is it worth another 150K over a 360?

On this one, I think you really need to drive both a 16M and then a base 430 Spider to be able to decide.

[JazzyO]

A 430 Spider with sport exhaust and a 430 Scuderia would make more sense than one 16M. Of course you need more garage space but that is easily rented, bought, or built. I own 7 cars and do not have a garage near my house.


Onno

[a1exander]

Originally Posted by JazzyO

I own 7 cars and do not have a garage near my house.


Onno

Apologies for the hijack but Onno how do you deal with driving your cars?
Do you at least have 1 garage at home?

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by Killer58

In driving both a 360 and a 430 around Maranello, I couldn't tell any difference in performance. But I sure do like the looks of the 360 better. I'm willing to bet that if you got a 360, you wouldn't regret it, nor wish you'd gotten a 430 instead.

Thanks David - bet that was a fun time.

How did you get that gig?

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by Boxer

On this one, I think you really need to drive both a 16M and then a base 430 Spider to be able to decide.

The 16M IMO - is worth 200 tops once the 458 Spiders hit.

I can't wait that long

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by JazzyO

A 430 Spider with sport exhaust and a 430 Scuderia would make more sense than one 16M. Of course you need more garage space but that is easily rented, bought, or built. I own 7 cars and do not have a garage near my house.


Onno

I have drawings into the city - it's been a battle to expand.

Less than a year ago I opened a car storage facility and it never took off for various reasons so I leased it to a shop.

Currently have 8 cars and 5 spaces - it's like musical chairs some days.

The vault or a drive into the garage basement may work.

Is the storage close to home and private?

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by champagne612

The 16M IMO - is worth 200 tops once the 458 Spiders hit.

Interesting, but a test drive as Boxer suggests might convince you otherwise.

Having driven quite a few CS's, 430's, Scud's, 458's and now the 16M, I would have to say that the driving thrill is certainly turned up to 10 in CS and 16M, how do you value that driving experience, well that's a personal preference, but of course it is supply and demand situation on 16M's and CS's. There were only 499 16M's, a few were converted by Novitec et al and of course others have been crashed.

It is a given that each new model that appears will be faster than the last although the increment is now getting very small - 458 and Scud lap Fiorano in the same time (1.25), that of course doesn't mean the new car is a better driving experience. Will the new 458 spider be lapping Fiorano any faster than the 16M did it (I expect so but by what 1 second or less?), what ever time it records I'm sure it will feel very different in the way it achieves it. Only a test drive will allow you to make an informed choice and then the number of other people sharing your thoughts will dictate the market price.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Interesting, but a test drive as Boxer suggests might convince you otherwise.

Having driven quite a few CS's, 430's, Scud's, 458's and now the 16M, I would have to say that the driving thrill is certainly turned up to 10 in CS and 16M, how do you value that driving experience, well that's a personal preference, but of course it is supply and demand situation on 16M's and CS's. There were only 499 16M's, a few were converted by Novitec et al and of course others have been crashed.

It is a given that each new model that appears will be faster than the last although the increment is now getting very small - 458 and Scud lap Fiorano in the same time (1.25), that of course doesn't mean the new car is a better driving experience. Will the new 458 spider be lapping Fiorano any faster than the 16M did it (I expect so but by what 1 second or less?), what ever time it records I'm sure it will feel very different in the way it achieves it. Only a test drive will allow you to make an informed choice and then the number of other people sharing your thoughts will dictate the market price.

True - the second slower means nothing.

Experienced that with the 599 vs the 612 and went with the 612.

Guys who own spiders are pretty much spider guys. With the 458 spider coming on I feel it will be like the guys who had the 599 but moved to the GTO but even more so as the 458 will be a much larger run and it will attract the 430 Spider / 16M owners.

[AlanWard]

Doug, chicks dig the 360. Not sure why but my wife likes my 360 Spider but says she doesn't like the 430. That should answer your question right there :-)

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by AlanWard

Doug, chicks dig the 360. Not sure why but my wife likes my 360 Spider but says she doesn't like the 430. That should answer your question right there :-)

Chics dig you!

It does and so do I - it's the 100 hp.

The 360 I could make into a track car and tweak it and run it hard.

Hoping to find one - be in the right mood and hit the buy it now button

[markjayw]

Originally Posted by champagne612

Thanks - Spiders are a sacrifice in performance so my thought was are the 360 guys moving to 430's.

Of course there isn't a huge gap anymore - guessing 50 - 70k

Not moving, would only add a 430 Scuderia and keep the 360 Spider.

[markjayw]

Originally Posted by champagne612

The 16M IMO - is worth 200 tops once the 458 Spiders hit.

I can't wait that long

Might be smart to wait a bit, as we are getting close to winter, and only one Ferrari is 4wd. In winter demand is at it's lowest, for a lot of things, low demand equals lower prices.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by champagne612

The 16M IMO - is worth 200 tops once the 458 Spiders hit.

I can't wait that long

Not sure I agree on this one. CS/Scuderia guys are not necessarily going to be interested in 458/458 Spider. They tend to prefer the rawer more focussed cars. Any more major movement will not be until the 458 Scud hits the market.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by JazzyO

A 430 Spider with sport exhaust and a 430 Scuderia would make more sense than one 16M. Of course you need more garage space but that is easily rented, bought, or built. I own 7 cars and do not have a garage near my house.


Onno

In the UK, you could almost buy a 430 Scud and a 430 Spider for the price of a 16M right now.