[Pete04222]

When exactly do you start worrying about illegal immigration?

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by Pete04222

When exactly do you start worrying about illegal immigration?

I am slightly un - pc when it comes to illegal immigration.


Looking from the inside out - prosecute the source.

The only reason illegal immigration exists is because someone legal is supporting the actor.

[Killer58]

Perhaps the old Karmic saying is true in that "what goes around comes around." Ironically, the White Man may suffer the same fate he forced upon the Red Man. Even more ironic, he may be just as powerless to stop it.

Mi consejo: Tenga sus niños aprender español. ¡Olé!

[wetpet]

and who might that be?

Originally Posted by champagne612

The only reason illegal immigration exists is because someone legal is supporting the actor.

[wetpet]

just like in the other thread. if the powers that be didn't want it, it wouldn't happen. they want it. so it will continue. Killer, it's white men that are making it happen.

[Killer58]

Originally Posted by wetpet

Killer, it's white men that are making it happen.

Indeed Wet. Anyone who's eaten in a restaurant, stayed in a hotel, or bought produce at their local supermarket is "supporting the actor." Fact is, if you deported all the illegal immigrants from the US, the economy would grind to a halt in less than a week.

Although I've never seen it reported, I'm willing to bet there were quite a few illegal immigrants who died in the towers on 9/11. I'm proud to extend them, and defend, all the freedoms their White, Legal, employers enjoyed.

[wetpet]

all illegal aliens or just the ones that died in the twin towers?

[Killer58]

Every single one of them. Their children. Their children's children too.

I'll fight for and protect anyone working inside the wire.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by wetpet

and who might that be?

Here is how I see it and like I said it's very non - pc.

Anyone supporting an actor - not sure how I chose that word ... should be held to the actors full ability to become a citizen or pay a fine in equal to what that would cost the US to enact that person as a citizen.

Start fining employers 25k per event you will see some serious second thoughts take place.

If the employer can not pay the fine - they do service work for the community and wear a t-shirt that reads I employed an illegal immigrant.

The immigrant has two choices - leave the country or stay and pay an equal fine of 25k or perform community service.

For each event thereafter double the fine.


To initiate the program make it 10,000.00 for the employer in the first year.

[wetpet]

so you are against the rule of law and you would actually reward law breakers? I have to assume you would open all borders as well?

Originally Posted by Killer58

Every single one of them. Their children. Their children's children too.

I'll fight for and protect anyone working inside the wire.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by wetpet

so you are against the rule of law and you would actually reward law breakers? I have to assume you would open all borders as well?

What rule of law?

That would be the law

I don't see that as a reward ... I see it as a barrier to the act.

Sorta like importing a car - you wanna do it fine ... but it has to comply and it's not cheap.

Borders IMO are a joke - the border program would be funded by my program.

We need a border - a serious border but we also need to legalize marijuana.

Marijuana and immigrant tax programs could get states deficit paid down in 10 years - tops.

[wetpet]

it would actually be much easier than that. Simply enforce existing laws and require proof of citizenship to receive any benefits including driver's licenses, food stamps, ect. Allow local police to check identity in the case of arrest or detainment. Check citizenship for schooling.

i am not a big fan of going after employers because many illegals provide false documentation to get jobs. I don't believe it is a business mans job to enforce immigration laws. If a person is in the country and is able to stay in the country it is the governments fault. Of course, in cases of blatant skirting of the law like paying people cash, ect. i would charge the biz owner. Biz owners are not experts, nor should they be, in immigration law. If a person presents a ss number that checks out, that is all the paperwork i require to work.

simply rolling up the welcome mat will drive most to go back home or not come here at all.

in my area, simply enforcing the occupancy laws would get rid of most. they rent two bedroom apartments that have statutory occupancy numbers that are being badly abused. My wife provides free services to these illegals (which you pay for through a federal grant) and sees rows of bunkbeds in these apartments that allow as many as 15 people to share rent on one apartment. This is breaking the law and if the existing laws were enforced these people simply wouldn't be able to afford to stay here.

there are plenty enough laws on the books. the problem is, the powers that be WANT to flood the US with millions of uneducated, illiterate, poor to work as slaves. Living in fear is exactly what they want.

Originally Posted by champagne612

Here is how I see it and like I said it's very non - pc.

Anyone supporting an actor - not sure how I chose that word ... should be held to the actors full ability to become a citizen or pay a fine in equal to what that would cost the US to enact that person as a citizen.

Start fining employers 25k per event you will see some serious second thoughts take place.

If the employer can not pay the fine - they do service work for the community and wear a t-shirt that reads I employed an illegal immigrant.

The immigrant has two choices - leave the country or stay and pay an equal fine of 25k or perform community service.

For each event thereafter double the fine.


To initiate the program make it 10,000.00 for the employer in the first year.

[wetpet]

doug, my response was to killer, hence the quote. my response to you is just above.

Originally Posted by champagne612

What rule of law?

That would be the law

I don't see that as a reward ... I see it as a barrier to the act.

Sorta like importing a car - you wanna do it fine ... but it has to comply and it's not cheap.

Borders IMO are a joke - the border program would be funded by my program.

We need a border - a serious border but we also need to legalize marijuana.

Marijuana and immigrant tax programs could get states deficit paid down in 10 years - tops.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by wetpet

it would actually be much easier than that. Simply enforce existing laws and require proof of citizenship to receive any benefits including driver's licenses, food stamps, ect. Allow local police to check identity in the case of arrest or detainment. Check citizenship for schooling.

i am not a big fan of going after employers because many illegals provide false documentation to get jobs. I don't believe it is a business mans job to enforce immigration laws. If a person is in the country and is able to stay in the country it is the governments fault. Of course, in cases of blatant skirting of the law like paying people cash, ect. i would charge the biz owner. Biz owners are not experts, nor should they be, in immigration law. If a person presents a ss number that checks out, that is all the paperwork i require to work.

simply rolling up the welcome mat will drive most to go back home or not come here at all.

in my area, simply enforcing the occupancy laws would get rid of most. they rent two bedroom apartments that have statutory occupancy numbers that are being badly abused. My wife provides free services to these illegals (which you pay for through a federal grant) and sees rows of bunkbeds in these apartments that allow as many as 15 people to share rent on one apartment. This is breaking the law and if the existing laws were enforced these people simply wouldn't be able to afford to stay here.

there are plenty enough laws on the books. the problem is, the powers that be WANT to flood the US with millions of uneducated, illiterate, poor to work as slaves. Living in fear is exactly what they want.

Laws are bs and open to interpretation - waste of time and energy but the lawyers love em.

Mandatory fines are not.

Employment Law Guide - General Information on Immigration, Including I-9 Forms

[Killer58]

Originally Posted by wetpet

so you are against the rule of law and you would actually reward law breakers? I have to assume you would open all borders as well?

No on both counts.

I neither advocate breaking the law nor the type of drastic policy that would deport every illegal alien. I'm not so nieve to think that we live in such a black and white world.

Since both extremes are equally un-executatble, I see no point in debating them other than to rule them out as possible solutions.

I suppose that's what allows me to fight our enemies on the battlefield yet help save their casualties.

I see no contradiction in those types of situations.

[wetpet]

but the law is to deport them all. how many would you deport?

Originally Posted by Killer58

No on both counts.

I neither advocate breaking the law nor the type of drastic policy that would deport every illegal alien. I'm not so nieve to think that we live in such a black and white world.

Since both extremes are equally un-executatble, I see no point in debating them other than to rule them out as possible solutions.

I suppose that's what allows me to fight our enemies on the battlefield yet help save their casualties.

I see no contradiction in those types of situations.

[Pete04222]

Here's one thing I've noticed about immigration around the world. In most countries they check your credentials, enter you into the system and stamp your passport when you enter the country. Then they check your credentials, enter your information into the system and stamp your passport when you leave.

America doesn't do that. We check everybody entering the country but we don't keep track of the people leaving. Singapore can tell you right now how many aliens they have in their country, how many have overstayed their visa and what their names are. USA can't answer that question. "Abdul Hamirabidabi came into the country last year on a 30 day visa. Did he leave?" "Umm. I don't know. He was supposed to."

In most countries of the world if you enter illegally you are either deported or jailed. In USA you get a job, a driver's license, free health care and a college education. And then if somebody speaks up and says, "Hey, you need to pay for that stuff!" well then you are violating their rights.

[wetpet]

yes, the countries our illegals are coming from are much less forgiving when you break into their country.

[SP3ED]

I'm all about immigration, just do it legally...