Feds Coming after your guitar????

wetpet · 08-28-2011, 03:23 PM

Guitar Frets: Environmental Enforcement Leaves Musicians in Fear | Postmodern Times - WSJ.com

Killer58 · 08-28-2011, 03:37 PM

I'll give up my Brazillian Rosewood Ramirez the day AFTER Wayne LaPierre gives up his guns...

At the least, I'd be up on assault charges if some customs goon tried to take it.

wetpet · 08-28-2011, 03:42 PM

maybe if they bury it it will come back up? what do i know about trees?

wetpet · 08-28-2011, 04:06 PM

"The Lacey Act effectively permits wooden musical instruments to be seized indefinitely, without compensation, and places the burden of proof on the owner, not the government. Do you own an $11,000 2011 Gibson Eric Clapton Edition Les Paul? Want to take it to Canada and back? You’d better be prepared to document the source of all materials to the government’s satisfaction upon your return, or you could lose it indefinitely. If you thinking documenting that is tough, what if you’re ZZ Top’s Billy Gibbons returning from an overseas tour with your real 1959 sunburst Les Paul, for which you’ve already turned down at least one $5,000,000 offer? Good luck documenting the wood from a fifty-two-year-old guitar."

henryr · 08-28-2011, 04:20 PM

" to be seized indefinitely, without compensation, and places the burden of proof on the owner"

so much for the constitution.

there was an article is the WSJ on the vast expanse of criminalization of activities and seizures of assets.

Killer58 · 08-28-2011, 04:36 PM

A top notch Ramirez could get you three Les Paul's...

champagne612 · 08-28-2011, 05:32 PM

Gotta love our local St Louisian's at Missouri Botanical Gardens.

The factory must have pissed someone off - BIG.

My guess would be the sales rep who lost the business and couldn't compete.

Hope this story is followed to the end ... be interesting to know exactly what happened.

wetpet · 08-28-2011, 05:54 PM

funny you should say that. an update on the story i saw said the head of gibson was a big repub donor and his rival at martin was a big dem donor. Martin also advertises guitars made of indian wood like was seized at gibson. conspiracy? Maybe.

champagne612 · 08-28-2011, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetpet

funny you should say that. an update on the story i saw said the head of gibson was a big repub donor and his rival at martin was a big dem donor. Martin also advertises guitars made of indian wood like was seized at gibson. conspiracy? Maybe.

Seems like someone has an axe to grind ... just wish the Gov't would limit the witch hunts to things that actually matter.

wetpet · 08-28-2011, 08:13 PM

found it

» CEO of Gibson Guitars’ Main Competitor is a Huge Democrat Donor Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

champagne612 · 08-29-2011, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetpet

found it

» CEO of Gibson Guitars’ Main Competitor is a Huge Democrat Donor Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Great to see my tax dollars wasted to shut down a thriving business over imported wood that creates American jobs.

I guess no one who orchestrated the raid got the unemployment memo!

GuyIncognito · 08-29-2011, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by champagne612

Great to see my tax dollars wasted to shut down a thriving business over imported wood that creates American jobs.

I guess no one who orchestrated the raid got the unemployment memo!

just what we need, more reasons for specialty manufacturing to go overseas.

JazzyO · 09-25-2011, 10:47 PM

My word! I missed this thread. It makes me really sad. I had my Martin D-42 custom built in Nazareth PA 5 years ago and picking it up at the factory was a trip I won't soon forget.

I would love to have another guitar custom built, or buy something special in the US as you guys have the greatest density of special guitars. I bought a Martin OM-42 Quilted Maple II from a professional guitarist during that same trip. Brought it on the plane with me, wasn't stopped, didn't even put the case through x-ray.... I guess I might not be doing a trip like that again.

It is really fuming when bureaucracy turns bureaucrazy.

I have an 1860(?) Martin - guess how much paperwork is with that? The wood was cut around 1810! If I moved to the States I guess I would have to leave the guitar in Europe. That's just dumb.

Onno

Chrishawk4 · 10-04-2011, 09:33 PM

I'm hiding in a bunker at the moment. If my 1948 Gibson Southern Jumbo was taken...they'd better have arrested me first.

I think my Epi Les Paul Standard is safe though...

08-28-2011, 03:23 PM	#1
wetpet Owner Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chevy Chase, Md Ferrari Life Posts: 6,598 Name: Ed	Feds Coming after your guitar???? Guitar Frets: Environmental Enforcement Leaves Musicians in Fear \| Postmodern Times - WSJ.com Everything you know is wrong Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!

08-28-2011, 03:42 PM	#3
wetpet Owner Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chevy Chase, Md Ferrari Life Posts: 6,598 Name: Ed	maybe if they bury it it will come back up? what do i know about trees? Everything you know is wrong Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!

08-28-2011, 04:06 PM	#4
wetpet Owner Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chevy Chase, Md Ferrari Life Posts: 6,598 Name: Ed	"The Lacey Act effectively permits wooden musical instruments to be seized indefinitely, without compensation, and places the burden of proof on the owner, not the government. Do you own an $11,000 2011 Gibson Eric Clapton Edition Les Paul? Want to take it to Canada and back? You’d better be prepared to document the source of all materials to the government’s satisfaction upon your return, or you could lose it indefinitely. If you thinking documenting that is tough, what if you’re ZZ Top’s Billy Gibbons returning from an overseas tour with your real 1959 sunburst Les Paul, for which you’ve already turned down at least one $5,000,000 offer? Good luck documenting the wood from a fifty-two-year-old guitar." Everything you know is wrong Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!

08-28-2011, 05:54 PM	#8
wetpet Owner Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chevy Chase, Md Ferrari Life Posts: 6,598 Name: Ed	funny you should say that. an update on the story i saw said the head of gibson was a big repub donor and his rival at martin was a big dem donor. Martin also advertises guitars made of indian wood like was seized at gibson. conspiracy? Maybe. Everything you know is wrong Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!

08-28-2011, 08:13 PM	#10
wetpet Owner Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chevy Chase, Md Ferrari Life Posts: 6,598 Name: Ed	found it » CEO of Gibson Guitars’ Main Competitor is a Huge Democrat Donor Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! Everything you know is wrong Stop chatting and start living the ferrarilife!

08-28-2011, 03:37 PM	#2
Killer58 Owner Elite Member Join Date: May 2010 Ferrari Life Posts: 1,417 Name: David	I'll give up my Brazillian Rosewood Ramirez the day AFTER Wayne LaPierre gives up his guns... At the least, I'd be up on assault charges if some customs goon tried to take it.

08-28-2011, 04:20 PM	#5
henryr Owner Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Atlanta, USA Ferrari Life Posts: 52 Name: HenryR	" to be seized indefinitely, without compensation, and places the burden of proof on the owner" so much for the constitution. there was an article is the WSJ on the vast expanse of criminalization of activities and seizures of assets.

08-28-2011, 04:36 PM	#6
Killer58 Owner Elite Member Join Date: May 2010 Ferrari Life Posts: 1,417 Name: David	A top notch Ramirez could get you three Les Paul's...

08-28-2011, 05:32 PM	#7
champagne612 Owner Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: St Louis Ferrari Life Posts: 4,613 Name: Doug	Gotta love our local St Louisian's at Missouri Botanical Gardens. The factory must have pissed someone off - BIG. My guess would be the sales rep who lost the business and couldn't compete. Hope this story is followed to the end ... be interesting to know exactly what happened.

09-25-2011, 10:47 PM	#13
JazzyO Owner Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Jersey, Channel Islands Ferrari Life Posts: 4,281	My word! I missed this thread. It makes me really sad. I had my Martin D-42 custom built in Nazareth PA 5 years ago and picking it up at the factory was a trip I won't soon forget. I would love to have another guitar custom built, or buy something special in the US as you guys have the greatest density of special guitars. I bought a Martin OM-42 Quilted Maple II from a professional guitarist during that same trip. Brought it on the plane with me, wasn't stopped, didn't even put the case through x-ray.... I guess I might not be doing a trip like that again. It is really fuming when bureaucracy turns bureaucrazy. I have an 1860(?) Martin - guess how much paperwork is with that? The wood was cut around 1810! If I moved to the States I guess I would have to leave the guitar in Europe. That's just dumb. Onno Attached Images Future: 458 Italia (May 2012) Present: 550 Maranello, 330GTC, 365BB (x2) Past: eh - see above.

10-04-2011, 09:33 PM	#14
Chrishawk4 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Ferrari Life Posts: 3,830 Name: Chris Hawkins	I'm hiding in a bunker at the moment. If my 1948 Gibson Southern Jumbo was taken...they'd better have arrested me first. I think my Epi Les Paul Standard is safe though... “ To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe.”-Anatole France "Dude, it's just math"-Pete

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