[redtrman]

They just don't get the importance of sound when it comes to motorized vehicles.

Tesla Roadster reaches the end of the line - Yahoo! Autos

[Granucci]

I believe the real reason is limited resources for the real money maker of the sedan. The financing for making cars although somewhat financed by the US govt in that old Toyota factory makes more sense for the sedan.

Govt. thought the 1,650 roadsters were a nice proof of concept but the sedan is more to a govt. financing.

It is more than just the green concept of the car, but also to put back to work the laid off employees from Toyota's old Freemont plant.

Can't say 1,650 sold Tesla Roadsters were a sort of failure as in your reference to 'sound'. After all, that is about 100 more cars than my 456 GT sold in it's lifetime and WAY more than the Mondial T.

[Boxer]

Having been out on a track with a Telsa, have to say the lack of sound is just plain weird.

[Granucci]

Originally Posted by Boxer

Having been out on a track with a Telsa, have to say the lack of sound is just plain weird.

Installing an amp with varoom sounds is not an option.

Yet, there will be a slew of these type in the future, so expect performance without the drama/sounds. I agree that is not fun in my book.

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by Granucci

Installing an amp with varoom sounds is not an option.

Yet, there will be a slew of these type in the future, so expect performance without the drama/sounds. I agree that is not fun in my book.

Personally I think the lack of noise is a bit dangerous.

[redtrman]

Originally Posted by Boxer

Having been out on a track with a Telsa, have to say the lack of sound is just plain weird.

I knew someone would understand!

[Granucci]

Originally Posted by redtrman

I knew someone would understand!

I understand and do not disagree with your sound is a problem but it is not the reason for the roadster being jerked.

[ryanl]

Originally Posted by Granucci

I understand and do not disagree with your sound is a problem but it is not the reason for the roadster being jerked.

I agree that it may be part of the equation, but by no means all of it. Over time, as electric vehicles become more commonplace, it will become less of an issue.

[Killer58]

You heard it here first: I say eCars are a passing, albeit recurring, fad.

[wetpet]

sorry, it was a passing fad at the beginning of the century. the 20th century. Gasoline is still one of the biggest bangs for the buck and there is a virtually unlimited supply of it. Oh, and it doesn't cause "climate change".

[Granucci]

Originally Posted by wetpet

sorry, it was a passing fad at the beginning of the century. the 20th century. Gasoline is still one of the biggest bangs for the buck and there is a virtually unlimited supply of it. Oh, and it doesn't cause "climate change".

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[Andrew]

@Rik, good call. I was tempted myself but was reminded of our debate with Ed on this issue long ago.

I also am going to stir the pot a bit. Tesla should have been allowed to die via market demand/conditions. The too got some bailout money and Mercedes's investment in Tesla I think will prove to be a bad one. Hybrids and cars like the Volt are the next iteration. Still use fuel, but do so more wisely and lower emissions.

[champagne612]

Originally Posted by Andrew

@Rik, good call. I was tempted myself but was reminded of our debate with Ed on this issue long ago.

I also am going to stir the pot a bit. Tesla should have been allowed to die via market demand/conditions. The too got some bailout money and Mercedes's investment in Tesla I think will prove to be a bad one. Hybrids and cars like the Volt are the next iteration. Still use fuel, but do so more wisely and lower emissions.

More stirring news ... St Louis landed the factory as Ford closed recently and left a lot of qualified people!

British Company Wants to Build Electric Vehicles in Hazelwood « CBS St. Louis

[Killer58]

Originally Posted by redtrman

They just don't get the importance of sound when it comes to motorized vehicles.

I used to put playing cards in my bicycle spokes as a kid. How hard could adding sound be??


Sorry Rick, I was unaware of previous threads and didn't mean to pick a scab. I'm with you on the green/ethical aspects of eCars. I made my statement solely from an economic standpoint.

[Granucci]

Originally Posted by Killer58

I used to put playing cards in my bicycle spokes as a kid. How hard could adding sound be??


Sorry Rick, I was unaware of previous threads and didn't mean to pick a scab. I'm with you on the green/ethical aspects of eCars. I made my statement solely from an economic standpoint.

Naw:
You did nothing wrong. I may be energetic about alternative energy but certainly have no problem with [some] statements. Rational discourse and all.

Wet and I have basically little problems and we probably would have a good time for sure.

EVs will be about for sometime and make sense to me in the small circuit. I would like to see the USPS save tons of money by going to hybrid vehicles. I have a PO not far from me and, no kidding, they are carting off these old delivery vehicles at the tune of 3-5/week for servicing or repair. Then entire fleet is only, maybe, 30 vehicles.

Electric for stop and go, and short distances [less than 20 Miles/day], and below, typically, 45 MHP, would make a fine delivery vehicles. The engine wear would be less on them and stick a panel on top and probably save even more tax payer dollars. Make them light weight and even better. The ones I see are a big waste of money.

But that's probably up for debate and some spread sheet: as some I believe I could make the numbers work.

I also know the diesel [blutech type] would be fine here and takes less refinery cracking to make more of that fine product. I believe it would lengthen the life of higher octane.

The hybrid market will not be firmly planted and we can expect no single thread. I do hope, and feel not unfounded, that gas cars will be about for some time IF China/India etc. don't suck it all up.

[Granucci]

Originally Posted by Andrew

@Rik, good call. I was tempted myself but was reminded of our debate with Ed on this issue long ago.

I also am going to stir the pot a bit. Tesla should have been allowed to die via market demand/conditions. The too got some bailout money and Mercedes's investment in Tesla I think will prove to be a bad one. Hybrids and cars like the Volt are the next iteration. Still use fuel, but do so more wisely and lower emissions.

Yup. As much as I feel the auto bailout was better than the bank fiasco, it was needing a re-boot [seem it got some of that] if not a boot in the rear.

Hands in the market place is not allowing it to evolve correctly.

However, and this goes off the subject so I'll just let it fall here, America as any industrialized entity needs, a bit of all items to include the areo industry, heavy industry, small, medium, clothing, med etc. etc. to be sound. In some cases govt. needs to make sure some of that persists, makes sense, but some of it is purely wrong.

Back on topic:

- I always find it amusing that some people complain about how the infrastructure is not there, or the tech or the whatever is lacking, yet, I'm reminded how they might have felt during the transition from horse-buggy to gas cars [just saying if they were then] when there was nothing. Shoot, we didn't get the modern highways until just after my birth. So, I wonder what side of the argument they would have been on then, and at what point they saw either the light bulb or made the logic shift to now.

Simply: progress marches on.

[Killer58]

Originally Posted by Granucci

Back on topic:

- I always find it amusing that some people complain about how the infrastructure is not there, or the tech or the whatever is lacking, yet, I'm reminded how they might have felt during the transition from horse-buggy to gas cars [just saying if they were then] when there was nothing. Shoot, we didn't get the modern highways until just after my birth. So, I wonder what side of the argument they would have been on then, and at what point they saw either the light bulb or made the logic shift to now.

Funny you should ask:

At the turn of the century, New York had somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 horses (for 1.5 million people). Used for everything from trolleys, busses, taxis, and delivery wagons, estimates put their daily production at just under 3 million pounds of manure. You read that correctly, 3 million pounds per day. That's enough to fill an entire baseball stadium. Every single day. Add to that thier 25,000 gallons of urine.

Everyone in the city, and I mean everyone, knew they had a problem. It was quickly bringing the city to its knees. In fact, in 1989, New York hosted the first ever International Urban Planning Conference. Scheduled for ten days, it was canceled after just three as no ne could come up with a solution to what was called the Great Manure Crisis.

Sure, there were some that resisted the change to automobiles, but this was one of the primary driving factors in why the automobile was so widely and quickly adopted in the US.

One last interesting factoid: today, those 100,000 horses have been replaced by some 50,000 commercial vehicles.

[wetpet]

I like hybrids and kers. but the ev is silly with all that cheap oil out there.