365 GT4 BB Question

Downdraft · 05-31-2005, 08:53 AM

Hi All,

am in the market for a 365 GT4 BB, I have seen (and driven) 512BB and 512BBi only.

The 365 GT4 BB i will go and see next week has velocity stacks without air boxes. I imagine this is aftermarket, am I correct?

Thanks.

Alex

Dj Dirk · 05-31-2005, 10:48 AM

Welcome Alex

Well wait a bit till Boxer reply's to your thread, since he has both models now :wink:

zwoemba · 05-31-2005, 11:18 AM

Looks pretty good

Andrew · 05-31-2005, 11:21 AM

Hi Alex,

Best of luck in your search for a Boxer, they are wonderful Ferraris.

To answer you question, yes this is aftermarket unless it is some random thing they did on early models, which I don't recall.

Here are photos of a 365 engine with the proper air boxes on top:

http://www.ferrariforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4024

Let us know if we can aid you in your search, I highly recommend the Buyer's Guides too!

Regards,
Andrew

Boxer · 05-31-2005, 01:19 PM

Hi Alex,

I concur with Andrew, to the best of my knowledge, the Velocity Stacks are an after market addition. I have never seen a 365 BB or 512 BB which had them as original equipment. This having been said, 365 GT4 BB's were all hand made cars and could, and were, customized to meet buyers requests. You can ask the factory (or the current owner) for the build sheets.

Suggest you also take a look at the Buyer's Guide in the Members section.

Good luck with your search.

Cheers,

Boxer

Boxer · 05-31-2005, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dj Dirk

Welcome Alex

Well wait a bit till Boxer reply's to your thread, since he has both models now :wink:

Not quite yet 8)

:wink:

Downdraft · 05-31-2005, 11:57 PM

Thanks for all your replies. I received a message from the broker that is negotiating the sale and the owner confirms that he has the original filter boxes. I plan to go and see the BB next week and will post pictures and comments - regards. Alex

Boxer · 06-01-2005, 11:46 AM

Alex,

Where is the car located ?

Cheers,

Boxer

Downdraft · 06-07-2005, 12:28 PM

The car is for sale in north Europe. I went to see it yesterday. Needs some TLC - have been told that it runs good - asking €70.000. Seats without headrests, red & black with black interior. I didn't have a chance to put it on a lift to look underneath

Here in Italy is an original 13,000 km 512BBi - the only thing is that it has black leather seats with grey cloth inserts. Euro spec.

decisions, decisions

Boxer · 06-07-2005, 09:27 PM

Alex, Based on description, the car you saw would be an early 365 GT4 BB. Make sure you check the engine for smoking

, gearbox syncros, and the transaxle. If you decide to go ahead, then I would get a full PPI done on it. For the price they are asking, you should be getting a car in very good to excellent condition.

On the 512 BBi with 13k km on the clock, first thing I would do is verify the history. :roll:

Good luck with the search.

Downdraft · 06-07-2005, 11:18 PM

The history of the 512BBi is very simple - one owner car, an American citizen, purchased it new in Italy with EE (no tax Italian plates) and when those ran out tagged it USA (car has always been in Italy) - it is a Euro version though- broght it to the authorized Ferrari dealer for a tune up and unxepectedly passed away - this was about 10 years ago. It has been sitting in the Ferrari shop ever since - started on a regular basis. I have asked the price - the problem being is that the import to Italy is about 30 of the blue book value (10% duty and 20% sales tax). Since it is in pristine cond. there are no loopholes. It requires DOT releases - safey and smog (non catalytic) for the USA.

Boxer · 06-08-2005, 10:36 AM

The 512BBi sounds like it has a lot of expensive complications attached. Even if the engine has been started, the fact that the car has not been run on the road could lead to a lot of other components seizing up or rotting (especially anything rubber). It probably also needs a cambelt change which is an engine out job on all Boxers. My guess would be that the best thing that could happen to this car is wait until it is 25 years old and then ship it into the US.

I have worked in the past with an excellent dealer who has a good network for older Ferraris in the UK/Europe. PM me if you would like his contact deals.

Downdraft · 06-12-2005, 12:06 AM

Was not able to take pictures of the 365 bb, the link to the web site is http://www.vdvgrant.be/

Seems a bit overprices for the condition that it is in.

Alex

Boxer · 06-12-2005, 01:00 AM

Alex, I looked at that car briefly. Same comment on price. I also did not find the dealer very helpful and I did not get answers to several questions. Cheers, Boxer

bb · 06-20-2005, 12:51 PM

HELLO THERE,

I may be selling a 365GT4 BB, 1975, Red, immaculate condition, RHD

Downdraft · 06-29-2005, 08:04 AM

RHD, no thanks - would become a statistic in less than a week while passing.

Alex

Boxer · 06-29-2005, 10:46 PM

Any luck finding other options ?

05-31-2005, 08:53 AM	#1
Downdraft Join Date: Jan 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 8	365 GT4 BB Question Hi All, am in the market for a 365 GT4 BB, I have seen (and driven) 512BB and 512BBi only. The 365 GT4 BB i will go and see next week has velocity stacks without air boxes. I imagine this is aftermarket, am I correct? Thanks. Alex Attached Images

05-31-2005, 11:21 AM	#4
Andrew Administrator Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: San Francisco Ferrari Life Posts: 6,186 Name: Andrew	Hi Alex, Best of luck in your search for a Boxer, they are wonderful Ferraris. To answer you question, yes this is aftermarket unless it is some random thing they did on early models, which I don't recall. Here are photos of a 365 engine with the proper air boxes on top: http://www.ferrariforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4024 Let us know if we can aid you in your search, I highly recommend the Buyer's Guides too! Regards, Andrew AvidSquare \| Drivers Network

05-31-2005, 01:19 PM	#5
Boxer Owner Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Ferrari Life Posts: 12,773	Hi Alex, I concur with Andrew, to the best of my knowledge, the Velocity Stacks are an after market addition. I have never seen a 365 BB or 512 BB which had them as original equipment. This having been said, 365 GT4 BB's were all hand made cars and could, and were, customized to meet buyers requests. You can ask the factory (or the current owner) for the build sheets. Suggest you also take a look at the Buyer's Guide in the Members section. Good luck with your search. Cheers, Boxer Boxer Current: F40, F50, 612, 430 Scuderia Past: 360 Modena, 360 Challenge, 550, 575, 365BB, 512BB, 456 GT, F355 GTS, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 308 GTB

06-01-2005, 11:46 AM	#8
Boxer Owner Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Ferrari Life Posts: 12,773	Alex, Where is the car located ? Cheers, Boxer Boxer Current: F40, F50, 612, 430 Scuderia Past: 360 Modena, 360 Challenge, 550, 575, 365BB, 512BB, 456 GT, F355 GTS, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 308 GTB

06-07-2005, 09:27 PM	#10
Boxer Owner Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Ferrari Life Posts: 12,773	Alex, Based on description, the car you saw would be an early 365 GT4 BB. Make sure you check the engine for smoking , gearbox syncros, and the transaxle. If you decide to go ahead, then I would get a full PPI done on it. For the price they are asking, you should be getting a car in very good to excellent condition. On the 512 BBi with 13k km on the clock, first thing I would do is verify the history. :roll: Good luck with the search. Boxer Current: F40, F50, 612, 430 Scuderia Past: 360 Modena, 360 Challenge, 550, 575, 365BB, 512BB, 456 GT, F355 GTS, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 308 GTB

05-31-2005, 10:48 AM	#2
Dj Dirk Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Belgium Ferrari Life Posts: 5,082	Welcome Alex Well wait a bit till Boxer reply's to your thread, since he has both models now :wink:

05-31-2005, 11:18 AM	#3
zwoemba Join Date: Nov 2003 Ferrari Life Posts: 411	Looks pretty good

05-31-2005, 11:57 PM	#7
Downdraft Join Date: Jan 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 8	Thanks for all your replies. I received a message from the broker that is negotiating the sale and the owner confirms that he has the original filter boxes. I plan to go and see the BB next week and will post pictures and comments - regards. Alex

06-07-2005, 12:28 PM	#9
Downdraft Join Date: Jan 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 8	The car is for sale in north Europe. I went to see it yesterday. Needs some TLC - have been told that it runs good - asking €70.000. Seats without headrests, red & black with black interior. I didn't have a chance to put it on a lift to look underneath Here in Italy is an original 13,000 km 512BBi - the only thing is that it has black leather seats with grey cloth inserts. Euro spec. decisions, decisions

06-07-2005, 11:18 PM	#11
Downdraft Join Date: Jan 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 8	The history of the 512BBi is very simple - one owner car, an American citizen, purchased it new in Italy with EE (no tax Italian plates) and when those ran out tagged it USA (car has always been in Italy) - it is a Euro version though- broght it to the authorized Ferrari dealer for a tune up and unxepectedly passed away - this was about 10 years ago. It has been sitting in the Ferrari shop ever since - started on a regular basis. I have asked the price - the problem being is that the import to Italy is about 30 of the blue book value (10% duty and 20% sales tax). Since it is in pristine cond. there are no loopholes. It requires DOT releases - safey and smog (non catalytic) for the USA.

06-08-2005, 10:36 AM	#12
Boxer Owner Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Ferrari Life Posts: 12,773	The 512BBi sounds like it has a lot of expensive complications attached. Even if the engine has been started, the fact that the car has not been run on the road could lead to a lot of other components seizing up or rotting (especially anything rubber). It probably also needs a cambelt change which is an engine out job on all Boxers. My guess would be that the best thing that could happen to this car is wait until it is 25 years old and then ship it into the US. I have worked in the past with an excellent dealer who has a good network for older Ferraris in the UK/Europe. PM me if you would like his contact deals. Boxer Current: F40, F50, 612, 430 Scuderia Past: 360 Modena, 360 Challenge, 550, 575, 365BB, 512BB, 456 GT, F355 GTS, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 308 GTB

06-12-2005, 12:06 AM	#13
Downdraft Join Date: Jan 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 8	Was not able to take pictures of the 365 bb, the link to the web site is http://www.vdvgrant.be/ Seems a bit overprices for the condition that it is in. Alex

06-12-2005, 01:00 AM	#14
Boxer Owner Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Ferrari Life Posts: 12,773	Alex, I looked at that car briefly. Same comment on price. I also did not find the dealer very helpful and I did not get answers to several questions. Cheers, Boxer Boxer Current: F40, F50, 612, 430 Scuderia Past: 360 Modena, 360 Challenge, 550, 575, 365BB, 512BB, 456 GT, F355 GTS, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 308 GTB

06-20-2005, 12:51 PM	#15
bb Join Date: Jun 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 4	bb365 For Sale HELLO THERE, I may be selling a 365GT4 BB, 1975, Red, immaculate condition, RHD

06-29-2005, 08:04 AM	#16
Downdraft Join Date: Jan 2005 Ferrari Life Posts: 8	RHD, no thanks - would become a statistic in less than a week while passing. Alex

06-29-2005, 10:46 PM	#17
Boxer Owner Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Ferrari Life Posts: 12,773	Any luck finding other options ? Boxer Current: F40, F50, 612, 430 Scuderia Past: 360 Modena, 360 Challenge, 550, 575, 365BB, 512BB, 456 GT, F355 GTS, 365 GTB/4 Daytona, 308 GTB

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